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Despite all the press around the specifics of MCAS and the 737 MAX, the broken relationship between Boeing and the FAA, and the poor state of Boeing pilot train

by nrp 7y ago

Despite all the press around the specifics of MCAS and the 737 MAX, the broken relationship between Boeing and the FAA, and the poor state of Boeing pilot training in many developing countries, this article reads as the single most damning piece about Boeing. The implication is that there isn’t a simple policy or process fix to get Boeing back on track, but that the company culture and leadership model is fundamentally broken and has been for the last 20 years. That is a slow and painful thing to recover from, and not many companies have done it successfully (though Microsoft and IBM come to mind as ones who made it through to the other side).

CydeWeys 7y ago
And planes have such long design cycles that it can take quite some time for the negative effects of such a change to become visible, and once they do, it takes a long time to turn things around.
gumby 7y ago
> and the poor state of Boeing pilot training in many developing countries, IHTPO that the 737 Max's that crashed were the newest planes operated by companies with advanced training. It's no question that random airlines flying clapped-out planes in remote corners of the earth can be quite scary* (some of the smaller operators in the OECD countries too) but that isn't really a factor in the two crashes that grounded the aircraft. * On two occasions in my life I have been frightened enough not to get on a scheduled flight (I didn't hear that either crashed). These were entirely been due to the physical state of the aircraft.
- bobthepanda 7y ago
  I would not characterize Lion Air as well trained. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/25/lion-air-737-max-crash-indonesia-recommends-redesign-better-training.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/25/lion-air-737-max-crash-i...
zaroth 7y ago
Look at IBM’s 10 year chart. There’s a reason BA is the only stock I’ve ever shorted.
mihaaly 7y ago
20 years, that's half the career of people. Those established before the downturn are either gone or about to (if not quit by disappointment already, or worse, assimilated), the rest knew only this or mostly this. Assuming Boeing only career. Externals may know different, but they are not Boeing. Seems like Boeing is irrevocably lost, ruined.
Ericson2314 7y ago
Yeah I would not say IBM has made it out, and MS is not stable either (can both their employees and revenue make it to a new equilibrium?) The fact is virtually all the large companies are in Byzantium mode. Get ready for hundreds of years of rent seeking without political action. Startups cannot solve this in there own, haha, certainly when they all want to get acquired!!
- cududa 7y ago
  You might be one of the only people that believes Microsoft’s stability is questionable

by nrp 7y ago

CydeWeys 7y ago

And planes have such long design cycles that it can take quite some time for the negative effects of such a change to become visible, and once they do, it takes a long time to turn things around.

gumby 7y ago

> and the poor state of Boeing pilot training in many developing countries, IHTPO that the 737 Max's that crashed were the newest planes operated by companies with advanced training. It's no question that random airlines flying clapped-out planes in remote corners of the earth can be quite scary* (some of the smaller operators in the OECD countries too) but that isn't really a factor in the two crashes that grounded the aircraft. * On two occasions in my life I have been frightened enough not to get on a scheduled flight (I didn't hear that either crashed). These were entirely been due to the physical state of the aircraft.

bobthepanda 7y ago
I would not characterize Lion Air as well trained. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/25/lion-air-737-max-crash-indonesia-recommends-redesign-better-training.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/25/lion-air-737-max-crash-i...

zaroth 7y ago

Look at IBM’s 10 year chart. There’s a reason BA is the only stock I’ve ever shorted.

mihaaly 7y ago

20 years, that's half the career of people. Those established before the downturn are either gone or about to (if not quit by disappointment already, or worse, assimilated), the rest knew only this or mostly this. Assuming Boeing only career. Externals may know different, but they are not Boeing. Seems like Boeing is irrevocably lost, ruined.

Ericson2314 7y ago

Yeah I would not say IBM has made it out, and MS is not stable either (can both their employees and revenue make it to a new equilibrium?) The fact is virtually all the large companies are in Byzantium mode. Get ready for hundreds of years of rent seeking without political action. Startups cannot solve this in there own, haha, certainly when they all want to get acquired!!

cududa 7y ago
You might be one of the only people that believes Microsoft’s stability is questionable