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In New York owning a car is a huge luxury, the city is giving away free real estate to the richest of the rich New Yorkers. Getting rid of free street parking i

In New York owning a car is a huge luxury, the city is giving away free real estate to the richest of the rich New Yorkers. Getting rid of free street parking is a great idea.

jinushaun 7y ago
You must not visit Queens, Bronx or Manhattan beyond 110 very often. They have extensive car ownership. I don't think anyone would call them rich.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  True, we should be careful to not conflate "Manhattan" with "New York City". That said, I agree with OP's comment within the context of Manhattan. Anyone who owns a car there is very wealthy, even within the context of a wealthy city. (I don't agree with pegging the divide at 110th street, that's much too low.)
  - ericd 7y ago
    Anecdotal, but my relatives who live/grew up in the outer boroughs call Manhattan “the city”.
    - Grazester 7y ago
      Thats only if you live in NYC you refer to Manhattan as "the city" but we very well know that New York City consist of all 5 boroughs
- thebean11 7y ago
  Yeah good point, I should have specified UES/UWS or below
lisper 7y ago
Charging is not going to fix that problem. If anything, the closer you get to charging market rates, the less accessible it becomes to anyone other than the richest of the rich. At least with free parking all vehicle owners are on an equal footing regardless of how much disposable income they have. Not that I'm advocating free parking. I'm not. But this isn't a good argument against it.
- thebean11 7y ago
  To me, the problem is giving away publicly owned land to people who don't need handouts. Charging market rates fixes that problem.
  - clairity 7y ago
    market rates for parking would still unequitably favor the wealthy. to be equitable, parking fees would need to be wealth-weighted/income-based.
    - thebean11 7y ago
      you're missing the part where only the wealthy are using these spaces in the first place (speaking specifically about Manhattan)
  - closeparen 7y ago
    Should we also charge for the parks and schools in rich neighborhoods?
ipnon 7y ago
62% of households in Queens and 44% of households in Brooklyn own a vehicle [0]. [0] https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars
- smogcutter 7y ago
  Yes, the “parking is free real estate for the wealthy” idea is really a manhattan thing, but those numbers aren’t doing you any favors - that’s far and away the lowest proportion of car ownership in the country. https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-vehicles-by-city-map.html https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-...
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In New York owning a car is a huge luxury, the city is giving away free real estate to the richest of the rich New Yorkers. Getting rid of free street parking is a great idea.

jinushaun 7y ago

You must not visit Queens, Bronx or Manhattan beyond 110 very often. They have extensive car ownership. I don't think anyone would call them rich.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
True, we should be careful to not conflate "Manhattan" with "New York City". That said, I agree with OP's comment within the context of Manhattan. Anyone who owns a car there is very wealthy, even within the context of a wealthy city. (I don't agree with pegging the divide at 110th street, that's much too low.)
- ericd 7y ago
  Anecdotal, but my relatives who live/grew up in the outer boroughs call Manhattan “the city”.
  - Grazester 7y ago
    Thats only if you live in NYC you refer to Manhattan as "the city" but we very well know that New York City consist of all 5 boroughs
thebean11 7y ago
Yeah good point, I should have specified UES/UWS or below

lisper 7y ago

Charging is not going to fix that problem. If anything, the closer you get to charging market rates, the less accessible it becomes to anyone other than the richest of the rich. At least with free parking all vehicle owners are on an equal footing regardless of how much disposable income they have. Not that I'm advocating free parking. I'm not. But this isn't a good argument against it.

thebean11 7y ago
To me, the problem is giving away publicly owned land to people who don't need handouts. Charging market rates fixes that problem.
- clairity 7y ago
  market rates for parking would still unequitably favor the wealthy. to be equitable, parking fees would need to be wealth-weighted/income-based.
  - thebean11 7y ago
    you're missing the part where only the wealthy are using these spaces in the first place (speaking specifically about Manhattan)
- closeparen 7y ago
  Should we also charge for the parks and schools in rich neighborhoods?

ipnon 7y ago

62% of households in Queens and 44% of households in Brooklyn own a vehicle [0]. [0] https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars

smogcutter 7y ago
Yes, the “parking is free real estate for the wealthy” idea is really a manhattan thing, but those numbers aren’t doing you any favors - that’s far and away the lowest proportion of car ownership in the country. https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-vehicles-by-city-map.html https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-...

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