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My dear friend, Web Developers are indeed software engineers. In fact, a Software Development Engineer is essentially Developer for short. All software enginee

My dear friend, Web Developers are indeed software engineers. In fact, a Software Development Engineer is essentially Developer for short. All software engineers have some sort of specialization or another; there is nothing preventing a web developer from writing software in another discipline. A very large portion of developers at FANG companies are web developers; the web is a big part of software these days. FANG companies do not have a monopoly on defining what software engineering is. Even if you are currently in a FANG company, you must take some time to prepare before you go to an interview for another FANG company. The reason is simple, you don't really get a lot of algorithm/data structure practice in most day jobs; leetcode is your friend. And please, can we stop this incessant gatekeeping? It does not help. There are a lot of amazing software engineers working at non-FANG companies doing great work, building great things.

shantly 7y ago
> And please, can we stop this incessant gatekeeping? It does not help. There are a lot of amazing software engineers working at non-FANG companies doing great work, building great things. Sure, but not making north of $200k in non-management, non-super-specialized-and-rare positions. Except ("mostly", I must add, because this is an Internet comment) at places that interview similarly. [EDIT] While we're at it—dear all you folks hiring in the low to mid-100 range for remote positions: your competition, for me, includes local places that don't have a weeks-long five-stage hazing interview process that take 4-8 hours total time, or more. They have maybe two hours of relatively low-stress phone calls and in-person conversations and make a decision in a day or three. And offer the same money you do. They shit or get off the effing pot, because they know if they don't they'll miss me. Your slow-ass high-time-commitment "oh we'll do two hours of pair coding online then fly you out and have you do a half-day of whiteboarding" processes are why it's "hard to find developers", assuming the money you're offering is right. You are not Google. Your money is not Google money. Your competition includes shops that have cashflow and contracts and need—need—developers with half a clue right now and can't afford to dick around, and they pay the same that you do. Knock it off. I'd rather work for you guys but you make it a real pain in the ass.
- unixsheikh 7y ago
  Well said!
- gamesbrainiac 7y ago
  You can get >$200k in non-FANG. I know of at least one company in Austin, the position is partial remote, you can work 3 days from home if you want to.
- wanderer2323 7y ago
  I completely agree with your sentiment in the [EDIT] part. My theory always was that remote shops can do more `hazing` because they have people who want to freely move/travel/go full digital nomad lining up for them. Would be interesting to know if this is the case.
- poulsbohemian 7y ago
  I need more upvotes. You nailed all the reasons why after 20+ years I'm trying to move out of tech.

shantly 7y ago

> And please, can we stop this incessant gatekeeping? It does not help. There are a lot of amazing software engineers working at non-FANG companies doing great work, building great things. Sure, but not making north of $200k in non-management, non-super-specialized-and-rare positions. Except ("mostly", I must add, because this is an Internet comment) at places that interview similarly. [EDIT] While we're at it—dear all you folks hiring in the low to mid-100 range for remote positions: your competition, for me, includes local places that don't have a weeks-long five-stage hazing interview process that take 4-8 hours total time, or more. They have maybe two hours of relatively low-stress phone calls and in-person conversations and make a decision in a day or three. And offer the same money you do. They shit or get off the effing pot, because they know if they don't they'll miss me. Your slow-ass high-time-commitment "oh we'll do two hours of pair coding online then fly you out and have you do a half-day of whiteboarding" processes are why it's "hard to find developers", assuming the money you're offering is right. You are not Google. Your money is not Google money. Your competition includes shops that have cashflow and contracts and need—need—developers with half a clue right now and can't afford to dick around, and they pay the same that you do. Knock it off. I'd rather work for you guys but you make it a real pain in the ass.

unixsheikh 7y ago
Well said!
gamesbrainiac 7y ago
You can get >$200k in non-FANG. I know of at least one company in Austin, the position is partial remote, you can work 3 days from home if you want to.
wanderer2323 7y ago
I completely agree with your sentiment in the [EDIT] part. My theory always was that remote shops can do more `hazing` because they have people who want to freely move/travel/go full digital nomad lining up for them. Would be interesting to know if this is the case.
poulsbohemian 7y ago
I need more upvotes. You nailed all the reasons why after 20+ years I'm trying to move out of tech.