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I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own. Hardware companies trying to write software usual
by panpanna 7y ago
I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own.
Hardware companies trying to write software usually ends in disaster. (Yes Lenovo, I'm looking at you)
- Finnucane 7y ago>I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own Since Pop_Os is derived from Ubuntu, you could argue that this is just what they did.
- panpanna 7y agoThe point is, now there is yet another distro out there as its own island, stealing resources and not contributing to the rest of the community (including Ubuntu)
- Finnucane 7y agoStealing resources? How do you steal that which is given away for free?
- uncletaco 7y agoAre you positive they aren't contributing anything upstream?
- pkulak 7y agoThey absolutely are.
- CivBase 7y agoWhat's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with. To address your original point, I suspect it's more expensive and slower (at least, in the short term) to add features to someone else's distro than to fork it and keep building it out yourself.
- isantop 7y ago> What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Nothing. Everything we create here at System76 is open source, either GPL or some form of permissive license. (Edit: To be clear, I'm just answering your rhetorical question, not insinuating anything about the tone of your post for sure.)
- CivBase 7y agoWoops. I re-read my comment, and the "assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with" bit reads like an insult to Pop!_OS. My bad! I just figure Canonical probably has a specific vision for Ubuntu (just like System76 surely has for Pop!_OS), so they don't necessarily want to pull in every feature from every downstream distro. The prevalence of purposed-focused distros is one of my favorite things about the Linux ecosystem. I actually haven't used Pop!_OS yet, but it looks good and it's on my short list of distros to try. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about it.
- cartoonworld 7y agoSo-called "Stealing" by creating a derivative work is specifically allowed, encouraged, and part and parcel of the nature of this kind of Open Source, community developed software. I'll bet upstream is more-or-less welcoming of an additional (well funded?) stakeholder. The bug reports alone might be worth the effort, especially if System76 is triaging some.
- panpanna 7y agoI think you misunderstood me. Note my use of the word "resources"... The number of FOSS contributers is not infitine. At some point we need to start working together instead of forking yet another marginally different copy. I understand some diversity is good, but what popos adds could have been added to vanilla Ubuntu (or Debian, if you feel that way) and benefitted many more.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y agoLike Ubuntu stole from Debian? And let's not forget that Debian is just stealing the hard work of the Linux and GNU developers... (/s)
- skywhopper 7y agoUbuntu is a derivative of Debian... Presumably they are okay with it.
- curt15 7y agoWhen bugs get fixed in upstream projects, do they have to first land in Ubuntu and then filter down to Pop_os? Or does Pop_Os point directly at Ubuntu repositories?
- tlb 7y ago/etc/apt/sources.list mostly points right at Ubuntu, so you get fixes immediately.
- 7thaccount 7y agoHonestly not sure, but my POP!OS distro tells me it has new updates almost daily in a little notification at the top.