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Awesome news. I bought a Darter Pro back in March and the experience has been great. I was a little hesitant at first because I'm not a Linux expert, but their

Awesome news. I bought a Darter Pro back in March and the experience has been great. I was a little hesitant at first because I'm not a Linux expert, but their team puts a lot of effort into making sure stuff with Pop_Os "just works." It might not be quite as polished as a macbook, but it's a comparable product at half the price, plus I get to support open source. Thelio looks amazing and I'm excited to see what they can do in the laptop space.

panpanna 7y ago
I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own. Hardware companies trying to write software usually ends in disaster. (Yes Lenovo, I'm looking at you)
- Finnucane 7y ago
  >I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own Since Pop_Os is derived from Ubuntu, you could argue that this is just what they did.
  - panpanna 7y ago
    The point is, now there is yet another distro out there as its own island, stealing resources and not contributing to the rest of the community (including Ubuntu)
    - Finnucane 7y ago
      Stealing resources? How do you steal that which is given away for free?
    - uncletaco 7y ago
      Are you positive they aren't contributing anything upstream?
      - pkulak 7y ago
        They absolutely are.
    - CivBase 7y ago
      What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with. To address your original point, I suspect it's more expensive and slower (at least, in the short term) to add features to someone else's distro than to fork it and keep building it out yourself.
      - isantop 7y ago
        > What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Nothing. Everything we create here at System76 is open source, either GPL or some form of permissive license. (Edit: To be clear, I'm just answering your rhetorical question, not insinuating anything about the tone of your post for sure.)
        CivBase 7y ago
        Woops. I re-read my comment, and the "assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with" bit reads like an insult to Pop!_OS. My bad! I just figure Canonical probably has a specific vision for Ubuntu (just like System76 surely has for Pop!_OS), so they don't necessarily want to pull in every feature from every downstream distro. The prevalence of purposed-focused distros is one of my favorite things about the Linux ecosystem. I actually haven't used Pop!_OS yet, but it looks good and it's on my short list of distros to try. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about it.
    - cartoonworld 7y ago
      So-called "Stealing" by creating a derivative work is specifically allowed, encouraged, and part and parcel of the nature of this kind of Open Source, community developed software. I'll bet upstream is more-or-less welcoming of an additional (well funded?) stakeholder. The bug reports alone might be worth the effort, especially if System76 is triaging some.
      - panpanna 7y ago
        I think you misunderstood me. Note my use of the word "resources"... The number of FOSS contributers is not infitine. At some point we need to start working together instead of forking yet another marginally different copy. I understand some diversity is good, but what popos adds could have been added to vanilla Ubuntu (or Debian, if you feel that way) and benefitted many more.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
      Like Ubuntu stole from Debian? And let's not forget that Debian is just stealing the hard work of the Linux and GNU developers... (/s)
    - skywhopper 7y ago
      Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian... Presumably they are okay with it.
  - curt15 7y ago
    When bugs get fixed in upstream projects, do they have to first land in Ubuntu and then filter down to Pop_os? Or does Pop_Os point directly at Ubuntu repositories?
    - tlb 7y ago
      /etc/apt/sources.list mostly points right at Ubuntu, so you get fixes immediately.
    - 7thaccount 7y ago
      Honestly not sure, but my POP!OS distro tells me it has new updates almost daily in a little notification at the top.
yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
> but their team puts a lot of effort into making sure stuff with Pop_Os "just works." I don't personally use it, but I've heard of people actually using it on other hardware just because the system is supposedly so polished. And maybe because it has better support for proprietary firmware? I forget.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  I installed it because it had great support for Nvidia drivers. It was painless when I installed it with my GTX1080 - IIRC I was able to get Keras-GPU working in minutes.
davidmurdoch 7y ago
One of the reasons I didn't get a System76 machine was because of how Pop!_os is branded. Everything about its branding, from the name itself to even the footer background on the website looks like a complete joke to me. Of course, maybe there is a demographic that is in to this sort of branding, but I bet it's more of a detriment to overall sales than anything. Is the OS as full of seconds-long bouncy animations and bubble letter finds as the branding and website makes it look? If so, can animations be reduced or disabled?
- tlb 7y ago
  Change the background picture and turn off animations with gnome-tweaks and it's quite inoffensive.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  That might actually be a reason to get a system76 machine, since I expect that the stock OS can be replaced with very few issues. Debian GNU/Linux is a lot leaner and meaner than Ubuntu or PopOS (which don't seem to differ significantly in their branding anyway). (Even Fedora or CentOS are not nearly as comfortable to use in my experience, although they might be preferable in other ways!)
- 7thaccount 7y ago
  You can select either Ubuntu LTS or POP!_OS when building a System76 computer. I built one with PoPOS (however you spell it) about 6-8 months ago and absolutely love it. I've previously used Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora and PoP!OS had a lot of the things everyone installed already taken care of and the UI is useful, but minimalistic.

panpanna 7y ago

I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own. Hardware companies trying to write software usually ends in disaster. (Yes Lenovo, I'm looking at you)

Finnucane 7y ago
>I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own Since Pop_Os is derived from Ubuntu, you could argue that this is just what they did.
- panpanna 7y ago
  The point is, now there is yet another distro out there as its own island, stealing resources and not contributing to the rest of the community (including Ubuntu)
  - Finnucane 7y ago
    Stealing resources? How do you steal that which is given away for free?
  - uncletaco 7y ago
    Are you positive they aren't contributing anything upstream?
    - pkulak 7y ago
      They absolutely are.
  - CivBase 7y ago
    What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with. To address your original point, I suspect it's more expensive and slower (at least, in the short term) to add features to someone else's distro than to fork it and keep building it out yourself.
    - isantop 7y ago
      > What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Nothing. Everything we create here at System76 is open source, either GPL or some form of permissive license. (Edit: To be clear, I'm just answering your rhetorical question, not insinuating anything about the tone of your post for sure.)
      - CivBase 7y ago
        Woops. I re-read my comment, and the "assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with" bit reads like an insult to Pop!_OS. My bad! I just figure Canonical probably has a specific vision for Ubuntu (just like System76 surely has for Pop!_OS), so they don't necessarily want to pull in every feature from every downstream distro. The prevalence of purposed-focused distros is one of my favorite things about the Linux ecosystem. I actually haven't used Pop!_OS yet, but it looks good and it's on my short list of distros to try. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about it.
  - cartoonworld 7y ago
    So-called "Stealing" by creating a derivative work is specifically allowed, encouraged, and part and parcel of the nature of this kind of Open Source, community developed software. I'll bet upstream is more-or-less welcoming of an additional (well funded?) stakeholder. The bug reports alone might be worth the effort, especially if System76 is triaging some.
    - panpanna 7y ago
      I think you misunderstood me. Note my use of the word "resources"... The number of FOSS contributers is not infitine. At some point we need to start working together instead of forking yet another marginally different copy. I understand some diversity is good, but what popos adds could have been added to vanilla Ubuntu (or Debian, if you feel that way) and benefitted many more.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    Like Ubuntu stole from Debian? And let's not forget that Debian is just stealing the hard work of the Linux and GNU developers... (/s)
  - skywhopper 7y ago
    Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian... Presumably they are okay with it.
- curt15 7y ago
  When bugs get fixed in upstream projects, do they have to first land in Ubuntu and then filter down to Pop_os? Or does Pop_Os point directly at Ubuntu repositories?
  - tlb 7y ago
    /etc/apt/sources.list mostly points right at Ubuntu, so you get fixes immediately.
  - 7thaccount 7y ago
    Honestly not sure, but my POP!OS distro tells me it has new updates almost daily in a little notification at the top.

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago

> but their team puts a lot of effort into making sure stuff with Pop_Os "just works." I don't personally use it, but I've heard of people actually using it on other hardware just because the system is supposedly so polished. And maybe because it has better support for proprietary firmware? I forget.

akhilcacharya 7y ago
I installed it because it had great support for Nvidia drivers. It was painless when I installed it with my GTX1080 - IIRC I was able to get Keras-GPU working in minutes.

davidmurdoch 7y ago

One of the reasons I didn't get a System76 machine was because of how Pop!_os is branded. Everything about its branding, from the name itself to even the footer background on the website looks like a complete joke to me. Of course, maybe there is a demographic that is in to this sort of branding, but I bet it's more of a detriment to overall sales than anything. Is the OS as full of seconds-long bouncy animations and bubble letter finds as the branding and website makes it look? If so, can animations be reduced or disabled?

tlb 7y ago
Change the background picture and turn off animations with gnome-tweaks and it's quite inoffensive.
zozbot234 7y ago
That might actually be a reason to get a system76 machine, since I expect that the stock OS can be replaced with very few issues. Debian GNU/Linux is a lot leaner and meaner than Ubuntu or PopOS (which don't seem to differ significantly in their branding anyway). (Even Fedora or CentOS are not nearly as comfortable to use in my experience, although they might be preferable in other ways!)
7thaccount 7y ago
You can select either Ubuntu LTS or POP!_OS when building a System76 computer. I built one with PoPOS (however you spell it) about 6-8 months ago and absolutely love it. I've previously used Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora and PoP!OS had a lot of the things everyone installed already taken care of and the UI is useful, but minimalistic.