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Once Popular, Car Pools Go the Way of Hitchhiking

24 points by trustfundbaby 16y ago

stcredzero 16y ago
Do people still hitchhike in Alaska?
lkozma 16y ago
In my experience carpooling is becoming more and more viable and popular in Europe, in the past few years I traveled almost exclusively in this way. Between major cities in western Europe you can almost always find rides on websites (being slightly flexible on the time). In eastern Europe you can still safely hitchhike on the roadside (if weather is good). I like both modalities and when I happen to drive a car I always take passengers as well.
brudgers 16y ago
The article ignores the impact of changes in the workplace. With the shift towards a service economy fewer people work the sort of regular hours associated with manufacturing and shift work. The decline in organized labor also means that additional hours are more easily and cheaply added to the workday of many people. When using D.C. as an example, the article also glosses over the increased availability of public transportation as the DC metro system has expanded since the 1970's.
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- icegreentea 16y ago
  ...the second page does go over those points (indirectly). To quote: "As car-pooling has continued to decline, mass transit use has increased in the past decade. In the Washington area, it represents about 14 percent of commuters, compared with 11 percent in 2000, according to the data. Another big change has been the number of people working from home at least one day a week, which has tripled since 1998, to about 600,000, according to Nicholas Ramfos, director of Commuter Connections, a network of agencies and local governments that coordinates ride-sharing programs. "
- quanticle 16y ago
  Right. When given the choice between carpooling, taking the bus, or driving alone, I choose to take the bus. The bus has advantages from both of the other options - its more flexible than carpooling, and it gets to use the HOV lanes that are unavailable for regular drivers. Rather than continuing to dump resources into a failed experiment (i.e. carpooling), urban planners should be working to increase the availability of mass transit.
  - adrianN 16y ago
    Carpooling is just a crutch to migitate the effects of the abismal city planning that has happened in America during the last few decades. Building cities that are totally dependent on cars is just an aweful idea. From what I've heard it's hardly possible to do even such elementary things as grocery shopping without driving twenty minutes on each way.
    - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
      Some of us actually carpool to save money, avoid driving every day, socialize, save the planet. Just a crutch?
      - foljs 16y ago
        Since you can save money better, save the planet better, and avoid driving better by using (a proper designed) public transport, yes, just a crutch.
      - quanticle 16y ago
        You could accomplish the same things via taking mass transit. Unfortunately, the layout of cities in the US (especially newer ones like Atlanta) makes having good mass transit nearly impossible due to lack of concentration.
        JoeAltmaier 16y ago
        Mass transit? Kidding,right? I've had to use mass transit before, in my poor student days. Misery. Standing at rainy bus stops hoping the bus might come, half-hour connections, taking 2-3 hours out of my day for a 15-minute trip each way.
regehr 16y ago
Gas is too cheap here. This will fix itself sooner or later.
- roel_v 16y ago
  It's twice as expensive over here and we still have the same problems. Still I agree with you - America just has a lot more distance to cover until this point arrives. The only thing that will bring change is to make driving so expensive so that the bottom 25 or 50 or so percent can't afford it any more. Doing this by law is politically unfeasible, but maybe rising gas prices because of increased demand from developing countries will make it so...
lkozma 16y ago
The reply of icegreentea to brudgers in this thread appears as [dead] and greyed, which is strange as icegreentea seems to have high karma and avg and the comment itself is useful. Does anyone know what's going on?
- icegreentea 16y ago
  Uh, for some reason when I posted, it double posted, so I deleted one of them... and then this happened. Slight head scratcher.
spidaman 16y ago
I take casual carpool from the east bay into San Francisco on a regular basis (and on the rare occasions I need to drive in, I always pick up carpoolers). What I've observed is that the higher the price of gas, the more riders are available for carpoolers. The win for drivers is clear: a lot of times the morning backup at the Bay Bridge is about 20 minutes, carpoolers can bypass that completely. The other day, I caught a ride with a guy who was going to the same building that I work out of; it was better than getting a cab to work. Incentivized by time and cost savings, carpooling could be extremely successful. What has failed are the centrally organized carpooling systems operated by governments. And the startups that I've seen that aim to facilitate carpooling have all sucked. I'm certain that carpooling would be more successful here if there were more carpool lanes, like on the hwy 580 and 24 approaches to the Bay Bridge and more carpool lanes in the reverse direction (right now, it's only hwy 80). While I take mass transit (Muni and BART) on a regular basis, mass transit can't be the only alternative to driving alone. These transit systems are often hamstrung by poor management and drain a lot of tax dollars. Calling carpooling a crutch and failed urban planning (other comments here) is inaccurate. As a country we pour billions of dollars into bridges, tunnels and highways to keep up with the demand of single occupant cars during commute hours. The lost productivity and the pollution and petroleum dependency growth is an enormous burden on the country. That's a dramatically larger failing than carpooling.
sliverstorm 16y ago
It has not 'gone the way of hitchhiking' unless it has been made illegal, like hitchhiking.
- masterj 16y ago
  If you're referring to the US, there are laws against it in a few states, but it is not outright illegal. Even in the states where there are laws against it, many people successfully do it every year. It is the general perception though. http://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States#Police http://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States#Police
- krakensden 16y ago
  Where is hitchhiking illegal?
teyc 16y ago
I believe it is not popular because of perceived thinness in the markets. If all carpoolers advertised that they car pool through a bumper sticker, then over time, people might dip their toes in.

24 points by trustfundbaby 16y ago

Do people still hitchhike in Alaska?

In my experience carpooling is becoming more and more viable and popular in Europe, in the past few years I traveled almost exclusively in this way. Between major cities in western Europe you can almost always find rides on websites (being slightly flexible on the time). In eastern Europe you can still safely hitchhike on the roadside (if weather is good). I like both modalities and when I happen to drive a car I always take passengers as well.

brudgers 16y ago

The article ignores the impact of changes in the workplace. With the shift towards a service economy fewer people work the sort of regular hours associated with manufacturing and shift work. The decline in organized labor also means that additional hours are more easily and cheaply added to the workday of many people. When using D.C. as an example, the article also glosses over the increased availability of public transportation as the DC metro system has expanded since the 1970's.

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icegreentea 16y ago
...the second page does go over those points (indirectly). To quote: "As car-pooling has continued to decline, mass transit use has increased in the past decade. In the Washington area, it represents about 14 percent of commuters, compared with 11 percent in 2000, according to the data. Another big change has been the number of people working from home at least one day a week, which has tripled since 1998, to about 600,000, according to Nicholas Ramfos, director of Commuter Connections, a network of agencies and local governments that coordinates ride-sharing programs. "
quanticle 16y ago
Right. When given the choice between carpooling, taking the bus, or driving alone, I choose to take the bus. The bus has advantages from both of the other options - its more flexible than carpooling, and it gets to use the HOV lanes that are unavailable for regular drivers. Rather than continuing to dump resources into a failed experiment (i.e. carpooling), urban planners should be working to increase the availability of mass transit.
- adrianN 16y ago
  Carpooling is just a crutch to migitate the effects of the abismal city planning that has happened in America during the last few decades. Building cities that are totally dependent on cars is just an aweful idea. From what I've heard it's hardly possible to do even such elementary things as grocery shopping without driving twenty minutes on each way.
  - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
    Some of us actually carpool to save money, avoid driving every day, socialize, save the planet. Just a crutch?
    - foljs 16y ago
      Since you can save money better, save the planet better, and avoid driving better by using (a proper designed) public transport, yes, just a crutch.
    - quanticle 16y ago
      You could accomplish the same things via taking mass transit. Unfortunately, the layout of cities in the US (especially newer ones like Atlanta) makes having good mass transit nearly impossible due to lack of concentration.
      - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
        Mass transit? Kidding,right? I've had to use mass transit before, in my poor student days. Misery. Standing at rainy bus stops hoping the bus might come, half-hour connections, taking 2-3 hours out of my day for a 15-minute trip each way.

regehr 16y ago

Gas is too cheap here. This will fix itself sooner or later.

roel_v 16y ago
It's twice as expensive over here and we still have the same problems. Still I agree with you - America just has a lot more distance to cover until this point arrives. The only thing that will bring change is to make driving so expensive so that the bottom 25 or 50 or so percent can't afford it any more. Doing this by law is politically unfeasible, but maybe rising gas prices because of increased demand from developing countries will make it so...

lkozma 16y ago

The reply of icegreentea to brudgers in this thread appears as [dead] and greyed, which is strange as icegreentea seems to have high karma and avg and the comment itself is useful. Does anyone know what's going on?

icegreentea 16y ago
Uh, for some reason when I posted, it double posted, so I deleted one of them... and then this happened. Slight head scratcher.

spidaman 16y ago

I take casual carpool from the east bay into San Francisco on a regular basis (and on the rare occasions I need to drive in, I always pick up carpoolers). What I've observed is that the higher the price of gas, the more riders are available for carpoolers. The win for drivers is clear: a lot of times the morning backup at the Bay Bridge is about 20 minutes, carpoolers can bypass that completely. The other day, I caught a ride with a guy who was going to the same building that I work out of; it was better than getting a cab to work. Incentivized by time and cost savings, carpooling could be extremely successful. What has failed are the centrally organized carpooling systems operated by governments. And the startups that I've seen that aim to facilitate carpooling have all sucked. I'm certain that carpooling would be more successful here if there were more carpool lanes, like on the hwy 580 and 24 approaches to the Bay Bridge and more carpool lanes in the reverse direction (right now, it's only hwy 80). While I take mass transit (Muni and BART) on a regular basis, mass transit can't be the only alternative to driving alone. These transit systems are often hamstrung by poor management and drain a lot of tax dollars. Calling carpooling a crutch and failed urban planning (other comments here) is inaccurate. As a country we pour billions of dollars into bridges, tunnels and highways to keep up with the demand of single occupant cars during commute hours. The lost productivity and the pollution and petroleum dependency growth is an enormous burden on the country. That's a dramatically larger failing than carpooling.

sliverstorm 16y ago

It has not 'gone the way of hitchhiking' unless it has been made illegal, like hitchhiking.

masterj 16y ago
If you're referring to the US, there are laws against it in a few states, but it is not outright illegal. Even in the states where there are laws against it, many people successfully do it every year. It is the general perception though. http://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States#Police http://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States#Police
krakensden 16y ago
Where is hitchhiking illegal?

teyc 16y ago

I believe it is not popular because of perceived thinness in the markets. If all carpoolers advertised that they car pool through a bumper sticker, then over time, people might dip their toes in.