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This. This is the solution. AdNausium will destroy the ad market. Adblocking users will engage in toxic behaviors if you force them to. The problem is that sit

This. This is the solution. AdNausium will destroy the ad market. Adblocking users will engage in toxic behaviors if you force them to. The problem is that sites trying some insane techniques is a bad arms race. Sites like the wallsteet journal made a adblock-wall, see ads or don't use the site. That's fine. They can do that. And they lost lots of traffic. But they can decide if they like that. Websites want a have-your-cake-and-eat-it option -- forcibly show ads, no opt out.

edoceo 7y ago
Where is the source for the traffic loss claim? Their profile on Alexa looks healthy and their rank has improved over time
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  Want to take a guess on where Alexa gets its data from that it then uses to estimate traffic and ranks?
  - hombre_fatal 7y ago
    From a sampling of users: https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-are-Alexa-s-traffic-rankings-determined- https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-ar... Why ask a vague winky-face question when you can make your assertion instead? Now I have to wait for you to respond just for you to clarify what you were trying to say.
    - hk__2 7y ago
      This link is very vague: they only talk about a “global data panel” without saying how it’s constructed. You can’t build a representative sample if you don’t have an idea of what the global traffic might be like. See also https://blog.alexa.com/alexa-panel-increase/ https://blog.alexa.com/alexa-panel-increase/: > our traffic estimates are based on data from our global panel, which is a sample of millions of Internet users using one of many different browser extensions. However, we don’t just rely on browser extensions. We also gather much of our traffic data from direct sources, including sites that have chosen to install the Alexa script and certify their metrics. It is this unique combination of data from our global panel, plus data from directly measured sources, filtered through our advanced statistical models that allow us to provide you with robust and comprehensive metrics.
dhimes 7y ago
I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers) don't object to ads as long as they are not trackers. The next anti-tracking technology should include fake tracking.
- hk__2 7y ago
  > I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers) What makes you say you’re speaking for most of us?
  - dhimes 7y ago
    Engaging with these threads for a couple of years. I will say though that there seem to be more people here in the biz of tracking than there used to be.
- naniwaduni 7y ago
  That would be extremely counterintuitive. Ads are visible; they give people reason to object to them even without knowing much about them, because their existence is intentionally intrusive. Tracking doesn't mean anything to most people.
  - dhimes 7y ago
    True; I by "us" I mean HN folks- people who know.
UnFleshedOne 7y ago
Nothing stops google from banning your account if you are using AdNausium, not only from youtube, but from gmail and all other properties. Joys of SSO. Maybe a TOC change or two. Few public cases like that and AdNausium is dead in the water. That's why I'm not using it personally, even though I'd love to...
- blibble 7y ago
  could you use FF containers so that your google account cookies are isolated to google properties? then you can go mad on everything outside the container
  - farisjarrah 7y ago
    Yeah FF containers are definitely not going to stop Google from knowing who you are. Browser fingerprinting is still a thing.
manigandham 7y ago
Ad Nauseum is not a threat to any modern ad network. It's easily caught and the results are filtered out.

edoceo 7y ago

Where is the source for the traffic loss claim? Their profile on Alexa looks healthy and their rank has improved over time

rndgermandude 7y ago
Want to take a guess on where Alexa gets its data from that it then uses to estimate traffic and ranks?
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  From a sampling of users: https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-are-Alexa-s-traffic-rankings-determined- https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-ar... Why ask a vague winky-face question when you can make your assertion instead? Now I have to wait for you to respond just for you to clarify what you were trying to say.
  - hk__2 7y ago
    This link is very vague: they only talk about a “global data panel” without saying how it’s constructed. You can’t build a representative sample if you don’t have an idea of what the global traffic might be like. See also https://blog.alexa.com/alexa-panel-increase/ https://blog.alexa.com/alexa-panel-increase/: > our traffic estimates are based on data from our global panel, which is a sample of millions of Internet users using one of many different browser extensions. However, we don’t just rely on browser extensions. We also gather much of our traffic data from direct sources, including sites that have chosen to install the Alexa script and certify their metrics. It is this unique combination of data from our global panel, plus data from directly measured sources, filtered through our advanced statistical models that allow us to provide you with robust and comprehensive metrics.

dhimes 7y ago

I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers) don't object to ads as long as they are not trackers. The next anti-tracking technology should include fake tracking.

hk__2 7y ago
> I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers) What makes you say you’re speaking for most of us?
- dhimes 7y ago
  Engaging with these threads for a couple of years. I will say though that there seem to be more people here in the biz of tracking than there used to be.
naniwaduni 7y ago
That would be extremely counterintuitive. Ads are visible; they give people reason to object to them even without knowing much about them, because their existence is intentionally intrusive. Tracking doesn't mean anything to most people.
- dhimes 7y ago
  True; I by "us" I mean HN folks- people who know.

UnFleshedOne 7y ago

Nothing stops google from banning your account if you are using AdNausium, not only from youtube, but from gmail and all other properties. Joys of SSO. Maybe a TOC change or two. Few public cases like that and AdNausium is dead in the water. That's why I'm not using it personally, even though I'd love to...

blibble 7y ago
could you use FF containers so that your google account cookies are isolated to google properties? then you can go mad on everything outside the container
- farisjarrah 7y ago
  Yeah FF containers are definitely not going to stop Google from knowing who you are. Browser fingerprinting is still a thing.

manigandham 7y ago

Ad Nauseum is not a threat to any modern ad network. It's easily caught and the results are filtered out.