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Gen Yers lack confidence, behave like idiots
- nihilocrat 18y agoOh cool, another one of those 'them darn yunguns ain't made right' articles! “Because this generation has been so coddled,” says Michael Wilder, pointing to Yers’ ever-present boomer parents, “when they do have to make a decision on their own, they’re looking for affirmation. They have no basic experience to allow them to be confident about the decisions they’re making.” Heh, so you mean we're babies because our parents weren't drunks that beat us every night? Come and see my family, we are all emotionally isolated and not even remotely touchy-feely. It's really nothing new. Just some dude writing an article about how he hates herd mentality. Oh, and a handy counterpoint from the same magazine. Maybe those old fogeys can't believe in a world where the company is expected to screw you over and a steady job means a life of missed opportunities: http://thegig.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/30/job-hopping-gen-yers-arent-disloyal-theyre-smart/ http://thegig.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/30/job-hopping-g...
- olefoo 18y agoDidn't I read the same article back in 1993? One thing that the article does get right is that people are treated and act like adolescents until their 30's or even 40's and it's now considered socially acceptable (to a point). But that's a longterm demographic and cultural trend that's been going on since World War II.
- bkovitz 18y agoThere is an important demographic shift happening, and anyone starting a business that rides a large social wave would be wise to pay attention to it. In the 1980s and 1990s, the younger generation was put down as cynical, slackers, no good, apathetic, criminal, etc. They were seen as too individualistic, not group-oriented enough. The Gen Y generational put-downs are new: too group-oriented, lacking individual initiative, too nice, "coddled", etc. There's underlying truth in both kinds of put-down, even if (of course) they don't apply to every person in each generation. As Gen Y gets older, the optimism, group orientation, and lack of individual initiative will become even more clear. For one thing, they'll seek strong leadership from government. And of course, the changing demographic will both create and destroy business opportunities. Strauss 7 Howe's books _Generations_ and _The Fourth Turning_ make a lot of interesting observations (and predictions) about this.
- edw519 18y agoAnother "everyone in the same age group is the same" post. All boomers are... All Gen Xers are... All Gen Yers are... Yeah, right. This is just an excuse for lazy journalism (is there any other kind any more?) Would have been nice if the author dug a little deeper to try to understand why none of the 7 people answered the phone. To his credit, he brought up several good points: "They’re trained to work in teams — in school, in extracurriculars" My theory (even though I'm no more qualified than anyone else): For many young people, playing on a sports team has replaced the part time job. There was a time when you had to work if you wanted a car, insurance, or money for college. Not so necessary now. Responsibility to one's teammates has replaced "getting the work done". I have always thought that real responsibility is learned "on the job". Delay work, delay responsibility. Even in this community, there's a tendency to try to solve problems in our own little vacuum. Here's what I think... I read somewhere... Things oughta work like... As a hacker, I'm just as guilty as anyone else; it's so easy to try to "think" things through. Then I stop and say, "Find a customer." (Or find a job.) Once you have to really serve others in need, the "issues" cited by the OP melt away.
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- sapphirecat 18y ago"I have always thought that real responsibility is learned "on the job". Delay work, delay responsibility." Amen to that one. My grandfather invested some money on my behalf when I was born, so when I graduated from college, I burned through $10K of it without a second thought. Then I finally swallowed my pride, got a job working minimum wage, and suddenly gained new appreciation for the value of money. Discovering that buying lunch is essentially equivalent to eating an hour's worth of work will do that. It's also easy to post on Slashdot "what a whiner!" whenever a story comes up about $OSS_SOFTWARE not fulfilling $BUSINESS_NEED. That's another perspective that disappears quickly when working for a real business. You really do need to be making money to have a viable business (long-term), and no amount of idealism changes that. If I could go back and give myself one piece of advice, it would be "get a crappy job before you're 22."
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- jeroen 18y agoIt's hard to compare generations, as you are inevitably comparing observations on the current generation with memories about previous generations. Memories are always distorted by the passing of time.
- coglethorpe 18y agoGet offa my lawn!
- mynameishere 18y agoThis sort of thing is an old, old sport. http://thinkexist.com/quotes/hesiod/ http://thinkexist.com/quotes/hesiod/ I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint. ~700 BC
- gaius 18y agoThat quote is often trotted out but all it actually means that is at some point in history, people thought that the kids of today are soft. It doesn't imply any continuity between that thought then and the same thought now.
- gills 18y agoMaybe there is something to it. All of the great civilizations eventually collapsed.
- jcl 18y agoI agree -- the logic is inescapable: Complaining about kids brings about the collapse of civilization. :)
- steveplace 18y agoGet off my lawn!
- pgebhard 18y agoMaybe it's this perpetual chastising by the older generations that gradually "teaches" the younger generations. What if the older generations never said this sort of stuff? Would the younger generation never grow out of it? Just wondering. I'm a 23yr old myself.
- tx 18y agoWhatever. Living with your parents in your 20s is disgusting, sir.
- gamerates 18y agoI wish people would talk about "people" instead of senseless "generational" gaps. Although of course you are going to be shaped by common experiences of your generation (let's say 9/11, Iraq War, etc. for my generation) and the social (gay rights, black/woman potential president, etc.) and technological changes (grew up with computers and the internet) that are occurring during your time period, you are shaped much more by your friends, parents, education, life experiences, location, and realistically the socio-economic status you were born into. Some PEOPLE are confident. Some PEOPLE are not. Maybe it's just because I happen to attend a top university that is highly competitive, but I don't commonly see this lack of confidence. Although, at the same point as a generation gets older and matures in it's occupational field, of course it is going to become more confident. People = People. We are much more alike than we are different. That's what makes classics, classics throughout centuries not just generations. It's because they relate to all PEOPLE.
- nazgulnarsil 18y agoI forget what the cognitive bias is called, but the gist is ignoring similarities and magnifying differences. It's a prime motivator in negative race relations too.
- Harkins 18y agoInteresting premise and anecdotes, but where's the evidence?
- lolb 18y agoWe think you Boomers are stupid too.
- justindz 18y agoThe professor might also be an overbearing tool bag or the class might not be particularly worth the effort (I've had a few of these). Anecdotal evidence like this is junk. My dad showed me his report card from Kindergarten once. He barely passed because "Eddie has trouble whistling and skipping in a straight line." When he got in to Dylan, it was all over for his potential as a productive and intelligent human. Of course, he's a published author and editor of poetry, novels and non-fiction, humor columnist, wilderness advocate, sometimes environmental lobbyist, motivational speaker and researcher/writer/editor for the beautifully designed black-bordered brochures you get at our national parks. And still loves Dylan (Bob and Thomas). And he's my hero. And he figured out how to whistle and skip in line somewhere along the way.
- giardini 18y agoHe got it right - they're idiots. A roomful of people sitting around a ringing phone - sheesh! What surprises me is the lengths that people will go to in attempting to justify the groups' actions, especially on the blog.
- magus_pwnsen 18y agoAnswering others' phones, with unknown callers, is one of those responsibilities that low-ranking workers always prefer to pass on to someone else. Answering phones sucks. The downside is that one might inadvertently offend an important person. ("[Y] speaking." "Hi, this is [X]." "Who are you?" "Your new boss, as of Monday, actually." "Oh.") There's no upside to answering, since responsibility for non-answering is diffused. So the phone is not answered. There's also conditioning at play. Remember the Grey Phone of Death, in high school? The one that usually carried calls to and from the principal's office, which you could get an in-school suspension for using without permission? Yeah, that phone.
- jrockway 18y agoGen X-ers have too much confidence, write idiotic "news" articles
- daveambrose 18y agoWhat is the average age/generation of a HN reader? I'd like to think Gen Y and I'd sure as anything bet they are the most confident of their close group of friends/colleagues. What do you think? I'm 23 and this continual stereotype of my generation as "clueless" or "timid" is just absurd.
- snprbob86 18y agoI'm 21. I've got significant confidence. I'm also very assertive. Roll those character traits together with my perpetual boredom in class, and I wind up speaking out a lot. Every since high school, I was always the student to speak my opinion first and throw in my 2 cents every chance I got. As a result, I'm not well liked by instructors and some portion of students (typically those with differing views). I'm quite glad I just graduated. I've made some very unpopular statements in philosophy, government, or similar classes wrought with highly debated topics. In about 8 years of this, not one person has spoken up in agreement with me during class. In fact, I've publicly asked the class "doesn't anyone agree with me?" several times. Not a single hand has ever gone up. However, on numerous occasions, I have had peers come up to me after class and thank me for voicing an opinion they shared. I can think of 3 reasons for the refusal to do this publicly. 1) Students (or employees) are conditioned not to challenge the views of their instructor (or manager) -- it is in the best interest of their GPA (or career) 2) It seems that there is a expectation that unpopular ideas are held by unpopular people. It is socially safer to keep your opinions to yourself. 3) When someone is in trouble and only one person is there to see it, that person feels compelled to help. When someone is in trouble and there is a crowd watching, it is often far longer before someone steps up to help because no one feels that they are responsible.
- nazgulnarsil 18y agoI've had the same thing happen, no support in class, then afterwards people come up to me and ask me about further reading on the subject/unpopular opinion. try this on for size in a government class sometime: the founding fathers were terrorist tax evaders and democracy is a stupid idea. People have no idea how to react, it hurts their brain to go that far outside "normal thinking".
- icky 18y ago> He — an Xer — was running late for a meeting, and Let us all learn to be responsible adults, like Generation X!