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So your recommendation to having your mail not go directly to spam is to run it for a decade? Got it! :-) I run a mail server for a few thousand users that h

So your recommendation to having your mail not go directly to spam is to run it for a decade? Got it! :-) I run a mail server for a few thousand users that has been going for ~20 years, and have regularly had to spend significant time figuring out adjustments the big mail providers make along the way. Spending a day roughly every year figuring out and implementing countermeasures isn't that bad, when you get paid for it. But I really don't have the time to do it for my personal e-mail. Your answer reminds me of something I heard a greenskeeper say about the big garden he maintains, I think in the UK: Tourists come to me all the time and ask "How can I get my lawn to look like this?" I reply: "The secret is to roll the dew off the lawn every morning." "That's it?" "Just do that for 300 years and your lawn will look like this."

kazinator 7y ago
If you have to do it for your personal mail compared to a few thousand users, the problems will obviously be fewer, because you don't send to as many different destinations as a crew of a few thousand users. > "Just do that for 300 years and your lawn will look like this." My point is that I've never had problems in that decade, not that it took a decade to fix. I think on two or three occasions, mail to a gmail user mysteriously bounced, but it went away on re-try. I understood the reputation problem from the beginning instead of banging my head against it. Why I understood that is because I did some research into running mail servers before diving into it.
- linsomniac 7y ago
  And my point, not to belabor it, is that reputation seems to be a pretty big deal these days, and your experience running a mail server with a decade of reputation may be different than the experience someone has setting up an e-mail server today. :-)
  - kazinator 7y ago
    I do not have an e-mail server that has any reputation.
    - linsomniac 7y ago
      If you run a mail server for a decade, as I believe you said you have, then you've gotten a reputation. This site lists some places you can check the reputation: https://sendgrid.com/blog/5-ways-check-sending-reputation/ https://sendgrid.com/blog/5-ways-check-sending-reputation/

kazinator 7y ago

If you have to do it for your personal mail compared to a few thousand users, the problems will obviously be fewer, because you don't send to as many different destinations as a crew of a few thousand users. > "Just do that for 300 years and your lawn will look like this." My point is that I've never had problems in that decade, not that it took a decade to fix. I think on two or three occasions, mail to a gmail user mysteriously bounced, but it went away on re-try. I understood the reputation problem from the beginning instead of banging my head against it. Why I understood that is because I did some research into running mail servers before diving into it.

linsomniac 7y ago
And my point, not to belabor it, is that reputation seems to be a pretty big deal these days, and your experience running a mail server with a decade of reputation may be different than the experience someone has setting up an e-mail server today. :-)
- kazinator 7y ago
  I do not have an e-mail server that has any reputation.
  - linsomniac 7y ago
    If you run a mail server for a decade, as I believe you said you have, then you've gotten a reputation. This site lists some places you can check the reputation: https://sendgrid.com/blog/5-ways-check-sending-reputation/ https://sendgrid.com/blog/5-ways-check-sending-reputation/