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>I'm not calling this fake news. Let's go up a few comments where you said: >I'm still failing to see where this is "news" as opposed to "agenda." It's right

by mthoms 7y ago

>I'm not calling this fake news. Let's go up a few comments where you said: >I'm still failing to see where this is "news" as opposed to "agenda." It's right there. >Can you please provide a general rule or set of rules that we can apply to all articles so that we can tell the difference between journalism and political activism You made a claim that the article is "propaganda", "activism" and "agenda" (your words). So the onus would be on you to prove your claim. Or at least offer a coherent argument why you believe that. As far as I can tell, the only thing that makes this propaganda in your eyes is (a) it's from the NYT and (b) it opposes your worldview somehow. Anyhow, I'm going to stop here with this particular thread.

Consultant32452 7y ago
You already revealed yourself when you stated you felt like you had a moral claim to something you have no legal claim to. That's fine, and a perfectly reasonable opinion to have. But by doing so, you have admitted that this is a matter of political ideology. You further accused me of merely having an opposing political bias to what is being conveyed in the article, doubling down on your own assertion that it is in fact about political propaganda. If it were just straight facts, then neither of our political biases would matter. Because if it were straight journalism it wouldn't be framed in such a way that your political leanings mattered.
- mthoms 7y ago
  Sigh. Again, with the changing of my words. It's really, really annoying. I never said I felt a moral claim to the lost tax revenue. Ever. I've repeated over and over (and over) that it's the lying to the American people that I, and many others find morally repugnant. I don't know how to state it any clearer. I honestly don't. I've made no comments whatsoever of a political nature. Not one. Is there something about disliking lying which is inherently political? I learned that lying was bad in kindergarten before I even knew what politics was. You've already proven yourself to be arguing in bad faith with your "I'm not calling this fake news" lie (see directly above), so there's no point in continuing this conversation. I guess liars defending liars is exactly what I should have expected.

by mthoms 7y ago

Consultant32452 7y ago

You already revealed yourself when you stated you felt like you had a moral claim to something you have no legal claim to. That's fine, and a perfectly reasonable opinion to have. But by doing so, you have admitted that this is a matter of political ideology. You further accused me of merely having an opposing political bias to what is being conveyed in the article, doubling down on your own assertion that it is in fact about political propaganda. If it were just straight facts, then neither of our political biases would matter. Because if it were straight journalism it wouldn't be framed in such a way that your political leanings mattered.

mthoms 7y ago
Sigh. Again, with the changing of my words. It's really, really annoying. I never said I felt a moral claim to the lost tax revenue. Ever. I've repeated over and over (and over) that it's the lying to the American people that I, and many others find morally repugnant. I don't know how to state it any clearer. I honestly don't. I've made no comments whatsoever of a political nature. Not one. Is there something about disliking lying which is inherently political? I learned that lying was bad in kindergarten before I even knew what politics was. You've already proven yourself to be arguing in bad faith with your "I'm not calling this fake news" lie (see directly above), so there's no point in continuing this conversation. I guess liars defending liars is exactly what I should have expected.