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YouTube's "Up Next" recommendations do (significantly) better than random, therefore "Today ML can solve some problems".

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simion314 7y ago
>YouTube's "Up Next" recommendations do (significantly) better than random, therefore "Today ML can solve some problems". IMO YT AI is the opposite of intelligent , it still recommends things I disliked. for some reason this basic rule of not showing something that I explicitly disliked was to hard for it to learn, I am wondering if it is truly an AI behind it or just statistics
- dhairya 7y ago
  It's intentional. Controversy is a strong signal for the youtube algorithm.
  - simion314 7y ago
    I don't think so, the videos I was referring were music videos. I engaged with it in a way but hitting dislike on a music genre I don't want to listen(I normally don't dislike things because is not my genre) in the hope the algorithm will learn but it was even worse, it did not learned that I disliked artist X and genre Y it continue to play the exact video that I disliked, The bad algorithm will force the unhappy user to use manually created playlists leaving less people to engage with the algorithm and probably have the algorithm getting worse in time as more users will avoid it And even more interesting trying to google "how to make youtube not show X" it is a complete fail, it will just show you youtube video results.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  If the goal is simply to maximize engagement, there is no hard requirement that the algorithm should never show you things that you dislike. Essentially, what I am saying is that your belief of what their objective function is may be different from their actual objective function, and that is in no way an indication that their model is a failure.
- mike_hock 7y ago
  Isn't AI statistics?
  - simion314 7y ago
    The modern AI/ML is more like we throw a lot of data and we generate a model, we know that it works but we have no idea how and why.
Fr0styMatt88 7y ago
I'm pretty sure it does better than 'next video = random(from all of YouTube)' would, but would it be much better than 'next video = random(videos with the same subject or tags as the one playing now)'?
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  Yes. They've published quite a number of papers on their recommendation algorithms. You can take a look and decide for yourself whether it's snake oil or not.

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simion314 7y ago

>YouTube's "Up Next" recommendations do (significantly) better than random, therefore "Today ML can solve some problems". IMO YT AI is the opposite of intelligent , it still recommends things I disliked. for some reason this basic rule of not showing something that I explicitly disliked was to hard for it to learn, I am wondering if it is truly an AI behind it or just statistics

dhairya 7y ago
It's intentional. Controversy is a strong signal for the youtube algorithm.
- simion314 7y ago
  I don't think so, the videos I was referring were music videos. I engaged with it in a way but hitting dislike on a music genre I don't want to listen(I normally don't dislike things because is not my genre) in the hope the algorithm will learn but it was even worse, it did not learned that I disliked artist X and genre Y it continue to play the exact video that I disliked, The bad algorithm will force the unhappy user to use manually created playlists leaving less people to engage with the algorithm and probably have the algorithm getting worse in time as more users will avoid it And even more interesting trying to google "how to make youtube not show X" it is a complete fail, it will just show you youtube video results.
cycrutchfield 7y ago
If the goal is simply to maximize engagement, there is no hard requirement that the algorithm should never show you things that you dislike. Essentially, what I am saying is that your belief of what their objective function is may be different from their actual objective function, and that is in no way an indication that their model is a failure.
mike_hock 7y ago
Isn't AI statistics?
- simion314 7y ago
  The modern AI/ML is more like we throw a lot of data and we generate a model, we know that it works but we have no idea how and why.

Fr0styMatt88 7y ago

I'm pretty sure it does better than 'next video = random(from all of YouTube)' would, but would it be much better than 'next video = random(videos with the same subject or tags as the one playing now)'?

cycrutchfield 7y ago
Yes. They've published quite a number of papers on their recommendation algorithms. You can take a look and decide for yourself whether it's snake oil or not.