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Mirror check on 'intense nationalism' - how many Americans supported or still support unlimited US military actions around the globe, not to mention CIA buggery

Mirror check on 'intense nationalism' - how many Americans supported or still support unlimited US military actions around the globe, not to mention CIA buggery? How has democratic activity slowed this down in any meaningful way in the last 20 years? You are not as immune as you think to government propaganda, it's just easier to spot when it's another country.

Consultant32452 7y ago
Obama campaigned as anti-war. So did Trump. Neither of those presidents have lived up to their campaign promises, but it seems clear to me the American people don't want to keep the most insane of US military actions going but feel powerless to stop it. The tricky part is that corporate media on both sides of the aisle never saw a war they didn't love. But that's different than the American people.
natechols 7y ago
I think everyone here is already well aware of this, considering that some variation on this same comment gets posted repeatedly every time China's human rights issues are in the news.
eznoonze 7y ago
Hmmm....Government propaganda is one thing. But sending you to concentration camp or prison because you have different views from the government is another. Not sure what kind of equivalency you are trying to make here.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
The fact that you can talk about that, while criticism of China gets shuffled off the front page EVEN on an American site, speaks volumes. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dx8rn0/absolutely_no_mercy_leaked_files_expose_how_china/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dx8rn0/absolutely... What would you say is the American equivalent to that? And what would be the American equivalent to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d1rp31/are_we_really_expected_to_not_fight_back_against/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d1rp31/are_we_rea... And that is, all other actions considered, such a harmless and cute clip. Keeping it SFW. https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/videos/950353428667865/ https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/videos/9503534286... How do you explain this? > You are not as immune as you think You don't know what I think. Personally, I'm not even American, and have criticized the US for the stuff you mention more harshly than the average American by orders of magnitude. That doesn't mean I don't see the infinite difference between the US government sometimes sucking, and the CCP (== no elections, no free press, torture camps, putting down protests over the law being broken with force, dictating to companies what they may post in Western countries, and so on). Yeah, Snowden had to run, but we can talk about Snowden. There's American books by American publishers about American war crimes, Noam Chomsky leads a full, critical life. There's a greater risk that the Chinese government might kidnap or assassinate him, just for saying something they don't like in passing, than the US govt laying hand on him. So to even mention the CCP and the US in one sentence... again, I'm not even American, and even I know all that and more. The only data point you're offering for what you think about the subject at hand is this "mirror check". Those are a dime a dozen, people pretending to be objective or neutral, and calling it a mirror check -- when the whole point of the exercise them getting away from their own personal stance and responsibility, while creating straw men up about a generic other.

Consultant32452 7y ago

Obama campaigned as anti-war. So did Trump. Neither of those presidents have lived up to their campaign promises, but it seems clear to me the American people don't want to keep the most insane of US military actions going but feel powerless to stop it. The tricky part is that corporate media on both sides of the aisle never saw a war they didn't love. But that's different than the American people.

natechols 7y ago

I think everyone here is already well aware of this, considering that some variation on this same comment gets posted repeatedly every time China's human rights issues are in the news.

eznoonze 7y ago

Hmmm....Government propaganda is one thing. But sending you to concentration camp or prison because you have different views from the government is another. Not sure what kind of equivalency you are trying to make here.

PavlovsCat 7y ago

The fact that you can talk about that, while criticism of China gets shuffled off the front page EVEN on an American site, speaks volumes. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dx8rn0/absolutely_no_mercy_leaked_files_expose_how_china/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dx8rn0/absolutely... What would you say is the American equivalent to that? And what would be the American equivalent to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d1rp31/are_we_really_expected_to_not_fight_back_against/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d1rp31/are_we_rea... And that is, all other actions considered, such a harmless and cute clip. Keeping it SFW. https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/videos/950353428667865/ https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/videos/9503534286... How do you explain this? > You are not as immune as you think You don't know what I think. Personally, I'm not even American, and have criticized the US for the stuff you mention more harshly than the average American by orders of magnitude. That doesn't mean I don't see the infinite difference between the US government sometimes sucking, and the CCP (== no elections, no free press, torture camps, putting down protests over the law being broken with force, dictating to companies what they may post in Western countries, and so on). Yeah, Snowden had to run, but we can talk about Snowden. There's American books by American publishers about American war crimes, Noam Chomsky leads a full, critical life. There's a greater risk that the Chinese government might kidnap or assassinate him, just for saying something they don't like in passing, than the US govt laying hand on him. So to even mention the CCP and the US in one sentence... again, I'm not even American, and even I know all that and more. The only data point you're offering for what you think about the subject at hand is this "mirror check". Those are a dime a dozen, people pretending to be objective or neutral, and calling it a mirror check -- when the whole point of the exercise them getting away from their own personal stance and responsibility, while creating straw men up about a generic other.