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> There is no bias against China as a country, or Chinese people. At some point you also have to make it about the people, too, after all the Chinese Communis

> There is no bias against China as a country, or Chinese people. At some point you also have to make it about the people, too, after all the Chinese Communist Party is comprised of Chinese people.

nkrisc 7y ago
What percentage of Chinese citizens are actual party members? Honest question, I have no idea, but if I had to wager I would guess not a very large percentage.
- hangonhn 7y ago
  90 million according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China It's hard to assume that the CCP doesn't have the mandate of the people. We just don't know one way or another since there are no free elections.
  - eznoonze 7y ago
    Chinese people join the CCP not because they identify with the communist ideals. They join because it gives access to a lot of resources and power that is otherwise unavailable to outsiders. It is essentially a gangster of national proportion, and behaves exactly like one, and they own the army.
    - paganel 7y ago
      Yeah, I know that, my mom joined the Romanian Communist Party in the early ‘80s for the same thing (so that she could more easily get food for young me), but that doesn’t make that entire generation less to blame as a whole.
- eznoonze 7y ago
  From some estimate they have about 80 million members. Because becoming a party member is a prerequisite to any degree of success in China, both in business or government. Being a member one has to abide by very strict internal party rules (not the kind of code of conduct/ethics you are thinking). It is a completely top-down organization. You don't get to decide your party leader, sorry!
nailer 7y ago
No you don't. The Chinese Communist Party being made up of Chinese people mean does not mean criticism of the CCP is criticism of Chinese people.
- paganel 7y ago
  At the end of it all the Chinese people are supporting said regime, even if they're Party members or not, you have to take responsibility from a certain point on. And I do certainly judge my older compatriots for not having done more in order to stand up against the Communist regime in my own country (I live in an Eastern European country which technically was communist until 1989).
  - nailer 7y ago
    > At the end of it all the Chinese people are supporting said regime, even if they're Party members or not There is no evidence of Chinese people freely support CCP rule. If you want to support an evidence gathering exercise, stand with Hong Kong.

> There is no bias against China as a country, or Chinese people. At some point you also have to make it about the people, too, after all the Chinese Communist Party is comprised of Chinese people.

nkrisc 7y ago

What percentage of Chinese citizens are actual party members? Honest question, I have no idea, but if I had to wager I would guess not a very large percentage.

hangonhn 7y ago
90 million according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China It's hard to assume that the CCP doesn't have the mandate of the people. We just don't know one way or another since there are no free elections.
- eznoonze 7y ago
  Chinese people join the CCP not because they identify with the communist ideals. They join because it gives access to a lot of resources and power that is otherwise unavailable to outsiders. It is essentially a gangster of national proportion, and behaves exactly like one, and they own the army.
  - paganel 7y ago
    Yeah, I know that, my mom joined the Romanian Communist Party in the early ‘80s for the same thing (so that she could more easily get food for young me), but that doesn’t make that entire generation less to blame as a whole.
eznoonze 7y ago
From some estimate they have about 80 million members. Because becoming a party member is a prerequisite to any degree of success in China, both in business or government. Being a member one has to abide by very strict internal party rules (not the kind of code of conduct/ethics you are thinking). It is a completely top-down organization. You don't get to decide your party leader, sorry!

nailer 7y ago

No you don't. The Chinese Communist Party being made up of Chinese people mean does not mean criticism of the CCP is criticism of Chinese people.

paganel 7y ago
At the end of it all the Chinese people are supporting said regime, even if they're Party members or not, you have to take responsibility from a certain point on. And I do certainly judge my older compatriots for not having done more in order to stand up against the Communist regime in my own country (I live in an Eastern European country which technically was communist until 1989).
- nailer 7y ago
  > At the end of it all the Chinese people are supporting said regime, even if they're Party members or not There is no evidence of Chinese people freely support CCP rule. If you want to support an evidence gathering exercise, stand with Hong Kong.