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Title should read: "Zuckerberg’s Anti-China Rhetoric Roils (Chinese) Facebook Employees" At any rate, I applaud Zuckerberg for actually having a spine when it
by umvi 7y ago
Title should read:
"Zuckerberg’s Anti-China Rhetoric Roils (Chinese) Facebook Employees"
At any rate, I applaud Zuckerberg for actually having a spine when it comes to China, unlike Tim Cook.
- justinzollars 7y agoAgreed. Tim Cook seems laser focused on shipping as much of our semiconductor industry to China as possible.
- Apocryphon 7y agoWait, what about their contracts with TSMC?
- jjtheblunt 7y agoI don't get that impression at all. Semiconductor fabs may exist overseas, but the technology is predominately domestic, from what i can tell. Micron in Idaho is an American powerhouse, for example.
- Apocryphon 7y agoIt's probably easier for him to do so, given that Facebook is banned in that country. But then again, so is Google, yet they pursued Project Dragonfly.
- joeblau 7y agoFrom the financial risk perspective, Tim really can't say anything.
- chongli 7y agoZuckerberg for actually having a spine when it comes to China, unlike Tim Cook What spine? Facebook is blocked in China. It costs him nothing to take this stance. If Tim Cook tried the same, China could seize the factories and Apple would have no product to sell. I'm sure in private Tim Cook would admit that Apple needs to diversify their manufacturing out of China as a hedge against the risk of a hostile government there. That is a process which cannot happen overnight, however, and so in the mean time it's best to tiptoe around the sleeping dragon.
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- larnmar 7y agoIt should read “Chinese Government”, not China, too. The Chinese government was not elected by the Chinese, is not in any sense a legitimate representative of the Chinese, and has no more right to rule over China than I do. Conflating criticism of the CCP with criticism of the country that they illegitimately rule is CCP propaganda techniques 101.
- Cookingboy 7y agoWhat is legitimacy? A government's job is to serve as many of its people as much as possible for as long as possible, so playing devil's advocate, why isn't the legitimacy of a government judged by how good it's doing its job vs. how it came into power? Historically speaking there have been plenty of prosperous societies that was ruled by "illegitimate" governments (and I'm not even saying China is one), and plenty of government that was put into power by the people (actually the original, populist CCP government is one example) that ended up being disastrous. Even if we want to always put democracy on a pedestal, how do we qualify it? Does only direct democracy count? What about representative democracy? How "representative" can it be before it's no longer democratic, i,e electoral college? Do any of those actually matter?
- idoh 7y agoFair point, it is hard to draw an exact line. But once a government starts throwing peaceful protestors into concentration camps I think we can all agree that it has crossed the line, right?
- Cookingboy 7y ago>But once a government starts throwing peaceful protestors into concentration camps I think we can all agree that it has crossed the line, right? Absolutely. But if you are referring to what's happening in HK, debate on evidence of concentration camp aside, lately many of the protestors have been anything but "peaceful".
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
- FussyZeus 7y agoTitle should read "Zuckerberg takes positive stance for headlines which costs his company nothing"
- taobility 7y agoHave you heard the news that Mark has learnt Chinese very hard, and even placed Xi's book at his office desk trying to please the visited Chinese officials? He didn't have any spine, and what he's doing right now just because he failed so have to change the strategy.
- mtnGoat 7y agoDo you have a source for this? your past comments are very pro Chinese and also reference "other news" without citation. Trying hard to prop up the motherland in the public eye?
- thisgoodlife 7y agoNot OP. Did some quick search and found this https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-keeps-a-book-written-by-the-president-of-china-on-his-desk-2014-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-keeps-a-book...
- taobility 7y agoCome on, I am a nobody Chinese living in US, and China doesn't need my single prop up.
- mdni007 7y agoor maybe because his wife is Chinese?
- taobility 7y agoI believe his wife speak Cantonese mostly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Chan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Chan), and Mark learnt Mandarin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2fucDSilWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2fucDSilWE. Even both are Chinese, but has huge difference in pronunciation.
- mindgam3 7y agoZuck’s anti China stance has nothing to do with having a spine and everything to do with Facebook’s bottom line. He is merely using China as a very convenient punching bag and foil to deflect attention away from Facebook’s own gross abuses of power. This is exemplified in his address on free speech several weeks ago - trying to position Facebook as a defender of American values (free speech and human rights) versus big bad China. Make no mistake, if Zuckerberg actually cared about the values of a free society he would fix his own platform. Don’t applaud him for throwing shade at an even more authoritarian regime.
- loceng 7y agoHe doesn't understand how, he's indoctrinated into it as well as his behaviour - he has personal work to do to open up his mind and heart before he'll develop the necessary empathy to see the holistic for what it is.