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Well can't say I'm not curious, but €90 a year is a lot of money. To pay that for just another service for procrastination? Maybe I'll pass. Although I definit

by tekkk 7y ago

Well can't say I'm not curious, but €90 a year is a lot of money. To pay that for just another service for procrastination? Maybe I'll pass. Although I definitely support the idea.

behringer 7y ago
Also, on the surface, it looks like a replacement for reddit/HN than a fb replacement. Am I missing something?
aiscapehumanity 7y ago
Procrastinating is a weird word to use?
znpy 7y ago
it's the old saying: "if you're not paying for using a product or you're not being paid to use a product, that means that you're the product". Deciding to pass on a service that asks you money to offer you a service is completely fine, as long as you don't later complain about "privacy issues" and "massive surveillance".
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  Well, in fairness, you're not gonna be free from mass surveillance by signing up for WT social. You might not need to worry about people selling your data, provided none of your connections adds a privacy destroying app in the future? But yeah, everyone will still be subject to the government showing up and going through your data if they deem it necessary. I'm not sure that can be helped? If there's an ironclad way to do that, I haven't seen it done.
- osobo 7y ago
  But I'd like to sample or at least see the bloody service before I pay for it. Right now I'm hitting a paywall telling me I'm x0.000 in line and "Oh, we want your money". I'm not triggered to commit.
- buboard 7y ago
  > that means that you're the product paying in kind is still a valid form of payment
- Kye 7y ago
  Most Mastodon instances cover bills with a handful of supporters on Patreon. Centralizing is what racks up the big dollar figures. Even mastodon.social only cost about $280/month to run as of mid 2018. https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Running-Mastodon/Resources-needed.md https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Runni... It's not necessary for everyone to pay if the topology is right. They could have joined the growing ActivityPub fediverse and set up a managed hosting thing the way one of the major Mastodon contributors did. The centralized sites spend much of their money on marketing and making ad deals. You don't need that if the social network is a standard feature you bolt your software on to and don't depend on ads.
- cpncrunch 7y ago
  You can have advertising without "privacy issues" and "massive surveillance". I would say that google does a much better job of it than Facebook. Another option would be to have voluntary donations, like wikipedia. I'm not going to pay $10/month for a curated new feed which I can do myself for free, and probably do a better job of it.

by tekkk 7y ago

Well can't say I'm not curious, but €90 a year is a lot of money. To pay that for just another service for procrastination? Maybe I'll pass. Although I definitely support the idea.

behringer 7y ago

Also, on the surface, it looks like a replacement for reddit/HN than a fb replacement. Am I missing something?

aiscapehumanity 7y ago

Procrastinating is a weird word to use?

znpy 7y ago

it's the old saying: "if you're not paying for using a product or you're not being paid to use a product, that means that you're the product". Deciding to pass on a service that asks you money to offer you a service is completely fine, as long as you don't later complain about "privacy issues" and "massive surveillance".

bilbo0s 7y ago
Well, in fairness, you're not gonna be free from mass surveillance by signing up for WT social. You might not need to worry about people selling your data, provided none of your connections adds a privacy destroying app in the future? But yeah, everyone will still be subject to the government showing up and going through your data if they deem it necessary. I'm not sure that can be helped? If there's an ironclad way to do that, I haven't seen it done.
osobo 7y ago
But I'd like to sample or at least see the bloody service before I pay for it. Right now I'm hitting a paywall telling me I'm x0.000 in line and "Oh, we want your money". I'm not triggered to commit.
buboard 7y ago
> that means that you're the product paying in kind is still a valid form of payment
Kye 7y ago
Most Mastodon instances cover bills with a handful of supporters on Patreon. Centralizing is what racks up the big dollar figures. Even mastodon.social only cost about $280/month to run as of mid 2018. https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Running-Mastodon/Resources-needed.md https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Runni... It's not necessary for everyone to pay if the topology is right. They could have joined the growing ActivityPub fediverse and set up a managed hosting thing the way one of the major Mastodon contributors did. The centralized sites spend much of their money on marketing and making ad deals. You don't need that if the social network is a standard feature you bolt your software on to and don't depend on ads.
cpncrunch 7y ago
You can have advertising without "privacy issues" and "massive surveillance". I would say that google does a much better job of it than Facebook. Another option would be to have voluntary donations, like wikipedia. I'm not going to pay $10/month for a curated new feed which I can do myself for free, and probably do a better job of it.