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I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government. For instance, China sees no holdback from imprisoning and killing anyone on the th

by dv_dt 7y ago

I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government. For instance, China sees no holdback from imprisoning and killing anyone on the thinnest of pretenses, it's basically wielding ultimate authoritarian power to ruin or end lives. On the other hand, the US actually wields a similar authoritarian imprisonment power much more frequently than China, actually more than almost any nation in the world - 10x more than other enlightened western nations, and the same or more than many repressive nations going by percentages of population in prison. The US justifications for that many in prison are just as weak a pretense as the Chinese justifications we just accept them more readily. Wether it's an oligarchy of party elite, or oligarchy of robber barons pulling the strings makes little difference to the lives ruined.

katbyte 7y ago
> I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government. In the west we can criticize our governments and are arguably more free. in china you can't and are arguably less free. I know where i would prefer to live.
- dv_dt 7y ago
  I think you need to read my last line a little more carefully. I did not say the US is less free - I said that ruined lives are still ruined. That one would personally prefer to have the freedoms of the privileged class of the US is not in question. But the US ruins lives at a 3x higher rate in prisons than China does. And it's not organ harvesting, but is cruelty that is personal, financial, and petty. Medical care is routinely denied, long term imprisonment in solitary conditions is considered torture in other nations, and is common in the US. And undeniably, prison is applied more frequently and for longer terms to a minority set of races in the US akin to how China persecutes minorities. (again I agree the degree is different but point out the rate is higher in the US, and ruined lives are still ruined). Those affected in that system really don't have the freedom to opt out of it. Edit: The robber barons cruelly end lives too... https://twitter.com/AllOnMedicare/status/1184644551987777537 https://twitter.com/AllOnMedicare/status/1184644551987777537
goalieca 7y ago
What!? A few thousand migrant families arrested at us border is bad. Agreed. But million minorities in re-education camps with organ harvesting is really bad. Not even close on the scale of shittyness.
- throw964563 7y ago
  I think OP is referring to the Middle East.
- dv_dt 7y ago
  Well some of those migrants families have babies who are not learning to speak or read at critical times due to intentional neglect. That's pretty horrific. But I was referring to our in-nation prisons to clairify.
EsssM7QVMehFPAs 7y ago
So much for the success of Chinese propaganda abroad. No democratic western state comes close to the totalitarian regime that is China. They attacked students with tanks a few decades ago and still have the same people in power. People should be informed about Chinese politics more, and that it does not happen via mainstream media is a telling sign of their financial leverage nowadays.

by dv_dt 7y ago

katbyte 7y ago

> I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government. In the west we can criticize our governments and are arguably more free. in china you can't and are arguably less free. I know where i would prefer to live.

dv_dt 7y ago
I think you need to read my last line a little more carefully. I did not say the US is less free - I said that ruined lives are still ruined. That one would personally prefer to have the freedoms of the privileged class of the US is not in question. But the US ruins lives at a 3x higher rate in prisons than China does. And it's not organ harvesting, but is cruelty that is personal, financial, and petty. Medical care is routinely denied, long term imprisonment in solitary conditions is considered torture in other nations, and is common in the US. And undeniably, prison is applied more frequently and for longer terms to a minority set of races in the US akin to how China persecutes minorities. (again I agree the degree is different but point out the rate is higher in the US, and ruined lives are still ruined). Those affected in that system really don't have the freedom to opt out of it. Edit: The robber barons cruelly end lives too... https://twitter.com/AllOnMedicare/status/1184644551987777537 https://twitter.com/AllOnMedicare/status/1184644551987777537

goalieca 7y ago

What!? A few thousand migrant families arrested at us border is bad. Agreed. But million minorities in re-education camps with organ harvesting is really bad. Not even close on the scale of shittyness.

throw964563 7y ago
I think OP is referring to the Middle East.
dv_dt 7y ago
Well some of those migrants families have babies who are not learning to speak or read at critical times due to intentional neglect. That's pretty horrific. But I was referring to our in-nation prisons to clairify.

EsssM7QVMehFPAs 7y ago

So much for the success of Chinese propaganda abroad. No democratic western state comes close to the totalitarian regime that is China. They attacked students with tanks a few decades ago and still have the same people in power. People should be informed about Chinese politics more, and that it does not happen via mainstream media is a telling sign of their financial leverage nowadays.