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Opera 9.5 released. Built-in firebug-like tool: dragonfly

13 points by urlwolf 18y ago

SwellJoe 18y ago
I've been using the beta for a few weeks on my XO lappy. It actually runs pretty nicely there...but Dragonfly is not as easy to use as Firebug. I get confused a lot (not just when trying to use Opera, but it's safe to say that it is more frequent while trying to use Dragonfly). But Opera seems to be cursed with a "too much" UI. Too many buttons, too many options, too much crud around the content. Nonetheless, it works much faster on the XO than Firefox...it, unfortunately, doesn't handle scaling well at all, though, so the text is either way too small or way too big.
- Elepsis 18y ago
  Opera doesn't handle scaling well? How are you trying to scale things? Opera supports zoom from 20-900 percent in reasonably small increments, including 80, 90, 110 and 120 percent. I've never had this scaling problem (though granted I haven't run it in your environment) -- when a site's text is too small I can simply hit "+" a few times, and problem solved.
  - SwellJoe 18y ago
    The + is what I'm talking about. For whatever reason, on my XO, 100% is too small, and the next bump up is too big. I'm not just picking nits here...it's a dramatic size increase...like from 7px to 16px (or something along those lines, though I haven't actually done a side-by-side with something that I can see the size of fonts).
- khafra 18y ago
  Holy cow. Firebug is the most complicated, counterintuitive web tool I've ever seen, and Dragonfly is even worse? I almost wonder if it's built for a different brain structure, and I'd find it comprehensible and coherent.
  - SwellJoe 18y ago
    Really? I find it very nice. There were a few things that I couldn't reason out...but Joe Hewitt's video made it all clear: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111597 http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111597 Setting breakpoints was not obvious to me, for example.
urlwolf 18y ago
RE: UI, you can remove mostly anything. Opera GUI is probably THE most customizable that I have seen. And it's a kb shortcut demon...
jamongkad 18y ago
Interesting I would pretty much like to try out Opera. But being a VIM addict FF comes with the excellent Vimperator plugin. Any of you guys know of a similar plugin for Opera?

13 points by urlwolf 18y ago

I've been using the beta for a few weeks on my XO lappy. It actually runs pretty nicely there...but Dragonfly is not as easy to use as Firebug. I get confused a lot (not just when trying to use Opera, but it's safe to say that it is more frequent while trying to use Dragonfly). But Opera seems to be cursed with a "too much" UI. Too many buttons, too many options, too much crud around the content. Nonetheless, it works much faster on the XO than Firefox...it, unfortunately, doesn't handle scaling well at all, though, so the text is either way too small or way too big.

Elepsis 18y ago
Opera doesn't handle scaling well? How are you trying to scale things? Opera supports zoom from 20-900 percent in reasonably small increments, including 80, 90, 110 and 120 percent. I've never had this scaling problem (though granted I haven't run it in your environment) -- when a site's text is too small I can simply hit "+" a few times, and problem solved.
- SwellJoe 18y ago
  The + is what I'm talking about. For whatever reason, on my XO, 100% is too small, and the next bump up is too big. I'm not just picking nits here...it's a dramatic size increase...like from 7px to 16px (or something along those lines, though I haven't actually done a side-by-side with something that I can see the size of fonts).
khafra 18y ago
Holy cow. Firebug is the most complicated, counterintuitive web tool I've ever seen, and Dragonfly is even worse? I almost wonder if it's built for a different brain structure, and I'd find it comprehensible and coherent.
- SwellJoe 18y ago
  Really? I find it very nice. There were a few things that I couldn't reason out...but Joe Hewitt's video made it all clear: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111597 http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111597 Setting breakpoints was not obvious to me, for example.

urlwolf 18y ago

RE: UI, you can remove mostly anything. Opera GUI is probably THE most customizable that I have seen. And it's a kb shortcut demon...

jamongkad 18y ago

Interesting I would pretty much like to try out Opera. But being a VIM addict FF comes with the excellent Vimperator plugin. Any of you guys know of a similar plugin for Opera?