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My only concern with TikTok is data collection being funneled to the CCP.

by partiallypro 7y ago

progval 7y ago
Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies.
- cheonic728 7y ago
  > Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies. As a European, I'd rather have my data stored on US servers than Chinese servers. Hell, Facebook probably has better security than the NHS. Chinese GDP growth is headed for <5% anyway.
- partiallypro 7y ago
  The US isn't using that data to put Muslims into concentration camps and killing them to take their organs, or marching troops into Hong Kong.
  - xiphias2 7y ago
    You’re right about the concentration camps, but regarding Hong Kong US has done and is doing worse things. Sadly this is how empires work.
  - response777 7y ago
    As a programmer, I am seriously curious about how these silly videos can help PRC "put Muslims into concentration camps", "take their organs" or "march troops into Hong Kong"
  - throw964563 7y ago
    I wouldn’t be so sure, > In 2014, former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden said in a public debate, “We kill people based on metadata.” > According to multiple reports and leaks, death-by-metadata could be triggered, without even knowing the target’s name, if too many derogatory checks appear on their profile. “Armed military aged males” exhibiting suspicious behavior in the wrong place can become targets, as can someone “seen to be giving out orders.” Such mathematics-based assassinations have come to be known as “signature strikes.” https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-survive-americas-kill-list-699334/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-...
- justinzollars 7y ago
  > Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies. You sound like a good candidate to visit China. Experience the difference between east and west for yourself. Let me assure you, I'm very thankful to live in a Democracy. There isn't parity on this issue.
- AWildC182 7y ago
  At least we can bitch about it together... I don't think they're able to do much bitching over there.
Aperocky 7y ago
I think there’s a bit of hysteria here. Tiktok have completely separated their Chinese business and international one, with international server hosted outside China. Saying that data collection is funneled to CCP is like accusing any US company of _potential_ acquisition of foreign data by the US government. Or to rephrase, no Chinese business should have the ability to operate elsewhere because they are from China? I think it’s overboard and even somewhat hypocritical.
- whatshisface 7y ago
  We know for a fact that US business funnel data to the US government, often unwillingly, thanks to Snowden.
- hackernewsboy 7y ago
  it is actually very doubtful even tiktok has a separate section for internationals. for example, do you trust huawei's international operations?
  - Aperocky 7y ago
    You can ping the endpoints and see where the servers are, in addition to difference in naming, app, API, domain, etc. I don't need to trust anyone to verify the things that I can verify myself.
    - hackernewsboy 7y ago
      Nowadays it is very easy to have a front server with behind-scene server farms. You as a common end user without special tools just cannot see through, unless you are a genius script kid.
hackernewsboy 7y ago
this is a small part, actually. if the younger generation of the us population is brainwashed by the ccp regime's propaganda, what is going to happen when these kids grow up?
- pcroh 7y ago
  They are already being brainwashed by propaganda in the US, both left-wing (the mass media) and right-wing (some online rabbit holes), I don't see this as much worse.
  - hackernewsboy 7y ago
    The US left-wing and right-wing media propaganda is just a piece of cake comparing to the CCP's propaganda. Anyone died in Tianman Massacre? Anyone died in Natural Disaster Years of 1960-1963? None. LOL.

My only concern with TikTok is data collection being funneled to the CCP.

progval 7y ago

Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies.

cheonic728 7y ago
> Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies. As a European, I'd rather have my data stored on US servers than Chinese servers. Hell, Facebook probably has better security than the NHS. Chinese GDP growth is headed for <5% anyway.
partiallypro 7y ago
The US isn't using that data to put Muslims into concentration camps and killing them to take their organs, or marching troops into Hong Kong.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  You’re right about the concentration camps, but regarding Hong Kong US has done and is doing worse things. Sadly this is how empires work.
- response777 7y ago
  As a programmer, I am seriously curious about how these silly videos can help PRC "put Muslims into concentration camps", "take their organs" or "march troops into Hong Kong"
- throw964563 7y ago
  I wouldn’t be so sure, > In 2014, former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden said in a public debate, “We kill people based on metadata.” > According to multiple reports and leaks, death-by-metadata could be triggered, without even knowing the target’s name, if too many derogatory checks appear on their profile. “Armed military aged males” exhibiting suspicious behavior in the wrong place can become targets, as can someone “seen to be giving out orders.” Such mathematics-based assassinations have come to be known as “signature strikes.” https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-survive-americas-kill-list-699334/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-...
justinzollars 7y ago
> Unlike Facebook, which is data collection being funneled to Western companies and US agencies. You sound like a good candidate to visit China. Experience the difference between east and west for yourself. Let me assure you, I'm very thankful to live in a Democracy. There isn't parity on this issue.
AWildC182 7y ago
At least we can bitch about it together... I don't think they're able to do much bitching over there.

Aperocky 7y ago

I think there’s a bit of hysteria here. Tiktok have completely separated their Chinese business and international one, with international server hosted outside China. Saying that data collection is funneled to CCP is like accusing any US company of _potential_ acquisition of foreign data by the US government. Or to rephrase, no Chinese business should have the ability to operate elsewhere because they are from China? I think it’s overboard and even somewhat hypocritical.

whatshisface 7y ago
We know for a fact that US business funnel data to the US government, often unwillingly, thanks to Snowden.
hackernewsboy 7y ago
it is actually very doubtful even tiktok has a separate section for internationals. for example, do you trust huawei's international operations?
- Aperocky 7y ago
  You can ping the endpoints and see where the servers are, in addition to difference in naming, app, API, domain, etc. I don't need to trust anyone to verify the things that I can verify myself.
  - hackernewsboy 7y ago
    Nowadays it is very easy to have a front server with behind-scene server farms. You as a common end user without special tools just cannot see through, unless you are a genius script kid.

hackernewsboy 7y ago

this is a small part, actually. if the younger generation of the us population is brainwashed by the ccp regime's propaganda, what is going to happen when these kids grow up?

pcroh 7y ago
They are already being brainwashed by propaganda in the US, both left-wing (the mass media) and right-wing (some online rabbit holes), I don't see this as much worse.
- hackernewsboy 7y ago
  The US left-wing and right-wing media propaganda is just a piece of cake comparing to the CCP's propaganda. Anyone died in Tianman Massacre? Anyone died in Natural Disaster Years of 1960-1963? None. LOL.