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I can see how this situation can come about due to penny wise pound stupid cost cutting. Surely one-to-one help for these kids inside the classroom would be bet

by ptah 7y ago

I can see how this situation can come about due to penny wise pound stupid cost cutting. Surely one-to-one help for these kids inside the classroom would be better?

duxup 7y ago
Potentially but it depends. If you have a child who regularly hits other children, how much in classroom help do you need before you need to remove the child from the situation?
- ptah 7y ago
  you will need one adult fulltime sitting next to the child supervising them
  - duxup 7y ago
    You'd be surprised how often that is not enough unless you're willing to hold their arms full time.
    - ptah 7y ago
      none of the cases in this article is like that. the adult would obviously be trained in how to deal with it without holding their arms down at all.
- PeterisP 7y ago
  It may require to remove the kid from school, but it wouldn't require solitary confinement for the kid. An "isolation room" is something that may get used for adult prison inmates in case of serious infractions, or a psychiatric hospital might use in certain cases with an adequate medical supervision, but solitary confinement is definitely not something that schools should be able to impose at their discretion.
  - burfog 7y ago
    We pretty much banned teachers from removing kids from school. We decided that every kid has the right to be in school, mostly in the normal classrooms. You can see the result. Basically, every tool for controlling bad behavior gets labeled "abuse" and banned. We don't seem to notice that the resulting disaster of an environment is abusive to the good kids.
bequanna 7y ago
> Surely one-to-one help for these kids inside the classroom would be better? Probably, but at this point additional spending on staff is likely off the table as Illinois schools districts are some of the most indebted in the nation: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/illinois-21-billion-in-school-debt-pushes-up-property-taxes/ https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/illinois-21-billion-i...

by ptah 7y ago

I can see how this situation can come about due to penny wise pound stupid cost cutting. Surely one-to-one help for these kids inside the classroom would be better?

duxup 7y ago

Potentially but it depends. If you have a child who regularly hits other children, how much in classroom help do you need before you need to remove the child from the situation?

ptah 7y ago
you will need one adult fulltime sitting next to the child supervising them
- duxup 7y ago
  You'd be surprised how often that is not enough unless you're willing to hold their arms full time.
  - ptah 7y ago
    none of the cases in this article is like that. the adult would obviously be trained in how to deal with it without holding their arms down at all.
PeterisP 7y ago
It may require to remove the kid from school, but it wouldn't require solitary confinement for the kid. An "isolation room" is something that may get used for adult prison inmates in case of serious infractions, or a psychiatric hospital might use in certain cases with an adequate medical supervision, but solitary confinement is definitely not something that schools should be able to impose at their discretion.
- burfog 7y ago
  We pretty much banned teachers from removing kids from school. We decided that every kid has the right to be in school, mostly in the normal classrooms. You can see the result. Basically, every tool for controlling bad behavior gets labeled "abuse" and banned. We don't seem to notice that the resulting disaster of an environment is abusive to the good kids.

bequanna 7y ago

> Surely one-to-one help for these kids inside the classroom would be better? Probably, but at this point additional spending on staff is likely off the table as Illinois schools districts are some of the most indebted in the nation: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/illinois-21-billion-in-school-debt-pushes-up-property-taxes/ https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/illinois-21-billion-i...