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> but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. > It’s victim blaming Yeah, but the victim is the woman he raped and that will not see

> but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. > It’s victim blaming Yeah, but the victim is the woman he raped and that will not see any justice, because he ran...

dependenttypes 7y ago
He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape. He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct.
- mariorossi666 7y ago
  > He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape That's false. > He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct. it's rape in Sweden. I don't know why you split hairs on this simple fact.
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    I will quote Stallman on that: "I think it is morally absurd to define “rape” in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in" What he did does not fall within the definition of rape, please do not accuse him of doing a much worse thing than he did.
    - mariorossi666 7y ago
      Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said. He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws. If you rape a girl the fact that in some country she is of legal age and in others she's not, it doesn't change the fact. It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape. Please accept it, because it's what happened.
      - dependenttypes 7y ago
        > Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said. > He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws. It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it. > It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape. He did not force her though. He had consent to have sex with her. It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards.
        mariorossi666 7y ago
        > It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it. No, he wasn't defending Minsky, please stop saying that! He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't. That shouldn't change the definition of rape. > It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards That's not what she says. I was not there, did you? I tend not to believe to a man that has at least 4 children with 4 women and he "prefers them virgins so he can be the first one to impregnate them" when it's about using condoms. https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-love-children https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-... BUT we're seriously OT here.
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        > please stop saying that This is the first time that I said that... > He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't. Yes, just because having consensual sex with a 17 and 364 days years old is illegal in some places and the law there calls it rape it does not make it rape in reality. Same thing applies here. Just because the Swedish law calls it rape it does not mean that it really is rape. > That's not what she says. This is what Guardian says https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange... - can you show me your source where she says that he raped her?
mattigames 7y ago
I can't imagine being an actual rape victim, meaning someone who was screaming in agony while being hit and penetrated by someone she wouldn't even kiss hearing that someone else who went home with a sexual partner that after foreplay tampered with the condom is going through something even remotely similar in psychological and physical damage.
pvaldes 7y ago
> the woman he raped and that will not see any justice Presumption of innocence is a basic concept in law, and an international human right. We don't know at this point if he raped, assaulted, grabbed by some part of the body, or did anything to any woman. There was not a trial, no judge, no proofs, no videos. What we know is that Wikileaks most probably contributed to save lots of women from being massively raped. There was a global sense of impunity for armies before and a totally different situation after Assange. Soldiers were allowed to do anything they pleased with civils including children and women. Not so easy anymore

> but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. > It’s victim blaming Yeah, but the victim is the woman he raped and that will not see any justice, because he ran...

dependenttypes 7y ago

He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape. He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct.

mariorossi666 7y ago
> He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape That's false. > He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct. it's rape in Sweden. I don't know why you split hairs on this simple fact.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  I will quote Stallman on that: "I think it is morally absurd to define “rape” in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in" What he did does not fall within the definition of rape, please do not accuse him of doing a much worse thing than he did.
  - mariorossi666 7y ago
    Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said. He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws. If you rape a girl the fact that in some country she is of legal age and in others she's not, it doesn't change the fact. It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape. Please accept it, because it's what happened.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      > Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said. > He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws. It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it. > It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape. He did not force her though. He had consent to have sex with her. It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards.
      - mariorossi666 7y ago
        > It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it. No, he wasn't defending Minsky, please stop saying that! He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't. That shouldn't change the definition of rape. > It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards That's not what she says. I was not there, did you? I tend not to believe to a man that has at least 4 children with 4 women and he "prefers them virgins so he can be the first one to impregnate them" when it's about using condoms. https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-love-children https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-... BUT we're seriously OT here.
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        > please stop saying that This is the first time that I said that... > He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't. Yes, just because having consensual sex with a 17 and 364 days years old is illegal in some places and the law there calls it rape it does not make it rape in reality. Same thing applies here. Just because the Swedish law calls it rape it does not mean that it really is rape. > That's not what she says. This is what Guardian says https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange... - can you show me your source where she says that he raped her?

mattigames 7y ago

I can't imagine being an actual rape victim, meaning someone who was screaming in agony while being hit and penetrated by someone she wouldn't even kiss hearing that someone else who went home with a sexual partner that after foreplay tampered with the condom is going through something even remotely similar in psychological and physical damage.

pvaldes 7y ago

> the woman he raped and that will not see any justice Presumption of innocence is a basic concept in law, and an international human right. We don't know at this point if he raped, assaulted, grabbed by some part of the body, or did anything to any woman. There was not a trial, no judge, no proofs, no videos. What we know is that Wikileaks most probably contributed to save lots of women from being massively raped. There was a global sense of impunity for armies before and a totally different situation after Assange. Soldiers were allowed to do anything they pleased with civils including children and women. Not so easy anymore