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It's not like he had any better choice here.

nemo 7y ago
He could have just faced the charges in Sweden. He'd be out by now if he was found guilty. His behavior and streams of lies about extradition, etc. suggest the whole episode was a guilty man hiding and foolishly digging in. His best option was always to just face the charges instead of fleeing justice.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > and streams of lies about extradition What lies about extradition? Just as they forced him out of the embassy the US published an extradition request. There were also past cases such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...
- stale2002 7y ago
  But.... He literally has an extradition order out for him right now. He was right. His opinions on extradition were proven correct. How can you ignore the literal evidence, right here, right now, of everything that he had predicted, to be coming true?
  - nemo 7y ago
    There is no evidence of an extradition order from the US at the point when Assange first claimed it, and the extradition now is based on Assange being very directly involved with and directing hacks on targets, which is a valid legal justification for extradition. Even if he hadn't lied in claims re: extradition, the current extradition is for credible and serious charges and he should face justice.
    - stale2002 7y ago
      But isn't this a bit of a catch 22 though? Do you honestly believe that this situation could have ended any other way, other than him being extradited to the USA? I am saying, that no matter what happened, whether there was a secret order, or not, or whether an extradition order would have been sent, the moment he stepped out of the embassy (but otherwise did not "exist" prior to him stepping out of the embassy), what was going to happen is that he was going to be extradited to the USA. And this prediction was proven correct. And the people who disagreed with this idea, owe the world an apology, for being entirely, completely, 100% wrong. If you disagree, you are basically holding an unfalsifiable position. Because by doing so, you are saying that no matter if he actually gets extradite, like what just happened!, you are going to ignore the actual evidence of this prediction coming true! It seems like there is no possible evidence or situation that I could show you, which would change your mind, because your argument is always going to be "Well, the order didn't exist before... but it does now". I can't argue with this kind of unfalsifiable position. If someone had predicted "this person is going to be extradited to the USA, at some point in the future", then this person was correct, and if you disagree with this person, and called them a conspiracy theorist, then you were wrong.
      - nemo 7y ago
        There are no known extradition orders from the Obama DoJ, and the feds have claimed they didn't want to bother with him in the Holder era. To believe he would be extradited to the US requires Assange's claimed extradition threat to have been real, but there's not only no evidence, but some evidence that suggests there never was one. The position that there never was a sealed extradition request can be falsified with evidence of one, it's just that there currently is no evidence.
        stale2002 7y ago
        Ok, but imagine an alternate universe where, if during the Holder era, there was a secret extradition order. Would you imagine that what we are observing right now, would be any different than this hypothetical universe where a secret extradition order did indeed exist? Is it really so hard to believe that such a hypothetical universe would almost certainly look exactly like the universe that we are in right now?

nemo 7y ago

He could have just faced the charges in Sweden. He'd be out by now if he was found guilty. His behavior and streams of lies about extradition, etc. suggest the whole episode was a guilty man hiding and foolishly digging in. His best option was always to just face the charges instead of fleeing justice.

dependenttypes 7y ago
> and streams of lies about extradition What lies about extradition? Just as they forced him out of the embassy the US published an extradition request. There were also past cases such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...
stale2002 7y ago
But.... He literally has an extradition order out for him right now. He was right. His opinions on extradition were proven correct. How can you ignore the literal evidence, right here, right now, of everything that he had predicted, to be coming true?
- nemo 7y ago
  There is no evidence of an extradition order from the US at the point when Assange first claimed it, and the extradition now is based on Assange being very directly involved with and directing hacks on targets, which is a valid legal justification for extradition. Even if he hadn't lied in claims re: extradition, the current extradition is for credible and serious charges and he should face justice.
  - stale2002 7y ago
    But isn't this a bit of a catch 22 though? Do you honestly believe that this situation could have ended any other way, other than him being extradited to the USA? I am saying, that no matter what happened, whether there was a secret order, or not, or whether an extradition order would have been sent, the moment he stepped out of the embassy (but otherwise did not "exist" prior to him stepping out of the embassy), what was going to happen is that he was going to be extradited to the USA. And this prediction was proven correct. And the people who disagreed with this idea, owe the world an apology, for being entirely, completely, 100% wrong. If you disagree, you are basically holding an unfalsifiable position. Because by doing so, you are saying that no matter if he actually gets extradite, like what just happened!, you are going to ignore the actual evidence of this prediction coming true! It seems like there is no possible evidence or situation that I could show you, which would change your mind, because your argument is always going to be "Well, the order didn't exist before... but it does now". I can't argue with this kind of unfalsifiable position. If someone had predicted "this person is going to be extradited to the USA, at some point in the future", then this person was correct, and if you disagree with this person, and called them a conspiracy theorist, then you were wrong.
    - nemo 7y ago
      There are no known extradition orders from the Obama DoJ, and the feds have claimed they didn't want to bother with him in the Holder era. To believe he would be extradited to the US requires Assange's claimed extradition threat to have been real, but there's not only no evidence, but some evidence that suggests there never was one. The position that there never was a sealed extradition request can be falsified with evidence of one, it's just that there currently is no evidence.
      - stale2002 7y ago
        Ok, but imagine an alternate universe where, if during the Holder era, there was a secret extradition order. Would you imagine that what we are observing right now, would be any different than this hypothetical universe where a secret extradition order did indeed exist? Is it really so hard to believe that such a hypothetical universe would almost certainly look exactly like the universe that we are in right now?