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> Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years Let me correct that

by goerz 7y ago

> Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years Let me correct that: Mr Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the environment that he exposed himself to (Edit: I’m talking about the embassy episode here, not his more recent incarceration)

freejulian85 7y ago
> Mr Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the environment that he exposed himself to Fuck you.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  Please don't do that.
  - freejulian85 7y ago
    He doesn’t deserve a better response. People who don’t support Assange can get fucked.
    - rezmason 7y ago
      There are now active concentration camps in the United States, designed to traumatize children, because Wikileaks bolstered Trump's campaign to make HRC appear destined for prison. And people who can't hold him accountable for his role in that, "can get fucked".
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - zozbot234 7y ago
        Fake news. The ICE camps were put in place during the Obama presidency, with HRC playing key roles in the overall Obama administration.
      - hombre_fatal 7y ago
        Every source I can find on google shows clearly that they aren't new to the Trump administration, though often more populated than they were under the Obama administration. But they all defeat the causal relationship you asserted in your comment. https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-detention-centers-trump-obama-1447160 https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-detention-centers-trump-oba...
      - dang 7y ago
        Please do not take HN threads further into political flamewar.
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do that with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dependenttypes 7y ago
It's not like he had any better choice here.
- nemo 7y ago
  He could have just faced the charges in Sweden. He'd be out by now if he was found guilty. His behavior and streams of lies about extradition, etc. suggest the whole episode was a guilty man hiding and foolishly digging in. His best option was always to just face the charges instead of fleeing justice.
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    > and streams of lies about extradition What lies about extradition? Just as they forced him out of the embassy the US published an extradition request. There were also past cases such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...
  - stale2002 7y ago
    But.... He literally has an extradition order out for him right now. He was right. His opinions on extradition were proven correct. How can you ignore the literal evidence, right here, right now, of everything that he had predicted, to be coming true?
    - nemo 7y ago
      There is no evidence of an extradition order from the US at the point when Assange first claimed it, and the extradition now is based on Assange being very directly involved with and directing hacks on targets, which is a valid legal justification for extradition. Even if he hadn't lied in claims re: extradition, the current extradition is for credible and serious charges and he should face justice.
      - stale2002 7y ago
        But isn't this a bit of a catch 22 though? Do you honestly believe that this situation could have ended any other way, other than him being extradited to the USA? I am saying, that no matter what happened, whether there was a secret order, or not, or whether an extradition order would have been sent, the moment he stepped out of the embassy (but otherwise did not "exist" prior to him stepping out of the embassy), what was going to happen is that he was going to be extradited to the USA. And this prediction was proven correct. And the people who disagreed with this idea, owe the world an apology, for being entirely, completely, 100% wrong. If you disagree, you are basically holding an unfalsifiable position. Because by doing so, you are saying that no matter if he actually gets extradite, like what just happened!, you are going to ignore the actual evidence of this prediction coming true! It seems like there is no possible evidence or situation that I could show you, which would change your mind, because your argument is always going to be "Well, the order didn't exist before... but it does now". I can't argue with this kind of unfalsifiable position. If someone had predicted "this person is going to be extradited to the USA, at some point in the future", then this person was correct, and if you disagree with this person, and called them a conspiracy theorist, then you were wrong.
entropea 7y ago
>he exposed himself to Did you miss what happened to him when he was arrested? He's now being tortured even more. He put himself there, for his safety, and to think he did it 'just because' is wildly ridiculous.
- goerz 7y ago
  No, and I do in fact think his most recent incarceration at least borders on torture. But I also think claiming that someone is torturing you while you’ve locked yourself in a room trying to evade questioning in a criminal investigation is ridiculous.
  - octocop 7y ago
    To be fair, he wasn't just evading "questioning", the fact that he isn't being extradited to Sweden and they are dropping the case makes this more obvious in my opinion
  - h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
    He locked himself in a room trying to evade exactly the treatment he is receiving right now. Is there any precedent in the UK for solitary confinement in Belmarsh for skipping bail on a rape charge in another country?
    - nemo 7y ago
      His treatment in Sweden if he'd complied rather than fleeing justice in the UK would likely have been far better. His dissembling about extradition and all of his actions suggest he was guilty of the rapes and hiding from justice.
      - stjohnswarts 7y ago
        Yeah but Sweden is a US ally and was just going to turn around and extradite him to the USA after they were done with him. I don't think you've been following the story closely enough. This is what he said for like the past decade. He know that Federal prison will probably end up with him beaten to death, shanked to death, or in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.
auslander 7y ago
> environment that he exposed himself to Fuck you. You are jailed on trumped up charges. Are you at fault by "exposing yourself to" it?
- deleted 7y ago
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- dang 7y ago
  As you know, since we've warned you multiple times before, you can't comment like this on Hacker News. We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I suppose I need to add that this has nothing to do with pro-X or anti-X positions, for X = Assange or any other value of X.

by goerz 7y ago

freejulian85 7y ago

> Mr Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the environment that he exposed himself to Fuck you.

dependenttypes 7y ago
Please don't do that.
- freejulian85 7y ago
  He doesn’t deserve a better response. People who don’t support Assange can get fucked.
  - rezmason 7y ago
    There are now active concentration camps in the United States, designed to traumatize children, because Wikileaks bolstered Trump's campaign to make HRC appear destined for prison. And people who can't hold him accountable for his role in that, "can get fucked".
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - zozbot234 7y ago
      Fake news. The ICE camps were put in place during the Obama presidency, with HRC playing key roles in the overall Obama administration.
    - hombre_fatal 7y ago
      Every source I can find on google shows clearly that they aren't new to the Trump administration, though often more populated than they were under the Obama administration. But they all defeat the causal relationship you asserted in your comment. https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-detention-centers-trump-obama-1447160 https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-detention-centers-trump-oba...
    - dang 7y ago
      Please do not take HN threads further into political flamewar.
dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do that with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dependenttypes 7y ago

It's not like he had any better choice here.

nemo 7y ago
He could have just faced the charges in Sweden. He'd be out by now if he was found guilty. His behavior and streams of lies about extradition, etc. suggest the whole episode was a guilty man hiding and foolishly digging in. His best option was always to just face the charges instead of fleeing justice.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > and streams of lies about extradition What lies about extradition? Just as they forced him out of the embassy the US published an extradition request. There were also past cases such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...
- stale2002 7y ago
  But.... He literally has an extradition order out for him right now. He was right. His opinions on extradition were proven correct. How can you ignore the literal evidence, right here, right now, of everything that he had predicted, to be coming true?
  - nemo 7y ago
    There is no evidence of an extradition order from the US at the point when Assange first claimed it, and the extradition now is based on Assange being very directly involved with and directing hacks on targets, which is a valid legal justification for extradition. Even if he hadn't lied in claims re: extradition, the current extradition is for credible and serious charges and he should face justice.
    - stale2002 7y ago
      But isn't this a bit of a catch 22 though? Do you honestly believe that this situation could have ended any other way, other than him being extradited to the USA? I am saying, that no matter what happened, whether there was a secret order, or not, or whether an extradition order would have been sent, the moment he stepped out of the embassy (but otherwise did not "exist" prior to him stepping out of the embassy), what was going to happen is that he was going to be extradited to the USA. And this prediction was proven correct. And the people who disagreed with this idea, owe the world an apology, for being entirely, completely, 100% wrong. If you disagree, you are basically holding an unfalsifiable position. Because by doing so, you are saying that no matter if he actually gets extradite, like what just happened!, you are going to ignore the actual evidence of this prediction coming true! It seems like there is no possible evidence or situation that I could show you, which would change your mind, because your argument is always going to be "Well, the order didn't exist before... but it does now". I can't argue with this kind of unfalsifiable position. If someone had predicted "this person is going to be extradited to the USA, at some point in the future", then this person was correct, and if you disagree with this person, and called them a conspiracy theorist, then you were wrong.

entropea 7y ago

>he exposed himself to Did you miss what happened to him when he was arrested? He's now being tortured even more. He put himself there, for his safety, and to think he did it 'just because' is wildly ridiculous.

goerz 7y ago
No, and I do in fact think his most recent incarceration at least borders on torture. But I also think claiming that someone is torturing you while you’ve locked yourself in a room trying to evade questioning in a criminal investigation is ridiculous.
- octocop 7y ago
  To be fair, he wasn't just evading "questioning", the fact that he isn't being extradited to Sweden and they are dropping the case makes this more obvious in my opinion
- h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
  He locked himself in a room trying to evade exactly the treatment he is receiving right now. Is there any precedent in the UK for solitary confinement in Belmarsh for skipping bail on a rape charge in another country?
  - nemo 7y ago
    His treatment in Sweden if he'd complied rather than fleeing justice in the UK would likely have been far better. His dissembling about extradition and all of his actions suggest he was guilty of the rapes and hiding from justice.
    - stjohnswarts 7y ago
      Yeah but Sweden is a US ally and was just going to turn around and extradite him to the USA after they were done with him. I don't think you've been following the story closely enough. This is what he said for like the past decade. He know that Federal prison will probably end up with him beaten to death, shanked to death, or in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

auslander 7y ago

> environment that he exposed himself to Fuck you. You are jailed on trumped up charges. Are you at fault by "exposing yourself to" it?

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dang 7y ago
As you know, since we've warned you multiple times before, you can't comment like this on Hacker News. We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I suppose I need to add that this has nothing to do with pro-X or anti-X positions, for X = Assange or any other value of X.