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What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see p

What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see properly for a long while. Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? Clearly, facing deportation to the US is problematic for a number of reasons, mostly that it's impossible for even Snowden to get a fair trial there, let alone an Australian citizen.

duxup 7y ago
"are not extremely stressful." That's not torture.
- deleted 7y ago
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- div 7y ago
  > The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture.
  - duxup 7y ago
    I read the articles. As I noted I disagree. If he didn't divulge something(s) that also added to his assessment I can't account for that.
    - colourgarden 7y ago
      Do you have a source to disprove or challenge the UN's definition of torture? Solitary confinement is often used during war. That Assange is incarcerated in a civilian prison doesn't necessarily diminish or change the effectiveness and impact.
    - tripzilch 7y ago
      An American dismissing a UN special rapport about torture. ... I really can't fathom why people would go through such extreme lengths to avoid getting extradited there ... /s
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
many people claim that they are only skipping bail because they believe the charges are fake, but do they really believe that?
- boomboomsubban 7y ago
  Even if they're lying, they don't deserve the treatment Assange received for that crime.
shadowgovt 7y ago
Would that we all had the luxury of the ability to skip bail on charges we believed were fake, yeah?
- nailer 7y ago
  We'd also likely not have had the charges leveled upon us in the first place.
  - eurasiantiger 7y ago
    As long as we play ball enough.
pcroh 7y ago
Skipping bail on charges he believe were fake is a crime, yes. If we was so sure of the charges being fake then he should have let them judge him.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  Maybe he didn't trust the judge/court to fairly judge him?
  - _jal 7y ago
    It is still a choice he could make (and did), which is more than many have. It is great that people are speaking up about the conditions under which people are punished and the no-win games that put them there. I only wish people could do so when it isn't some high-profile person.
- mtgx 7y ago
  He didn't fear the charges, he feared the extradition - and that's exactly what happened - Sweden dropped the charges anyway, but he ended-up being extradited.
- ddxxdd 7y ago
  ...except Assange would have been transferred to America to stand trial over Wikileaks before he would even have a chance to stand trial over the rape accusations.
  - mcv 7y ago
    I don't think there was an extradition request from the US, was there? Only one from Sweden. And it's very unlikely that Sweden would extradite him to the US for this. They value the free press, but take rape very seriously.
    - vintermann 7y ago
      The plan was to get him to the US all along, unless you want to believe it was a coincidence that Sweden kept up the request for ten years but dropped it the minute it got in the way of extradition to the US. As to why Sweden, who knows why they thought that would be preferable. Maybe just to smear his reputation a bit, to soften the protest at the treatment they want to give him? Very successful if so. But either way, you're talking about the people who forced down the Bolivian president's plane because they thought Snowden might be hiding in it. When they say "the law only matters when the outcome doesn't", this would be an example of a case where the outcome (stop Wikileaks) mattered.
vintermann 7y ago
> Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? No, he's already served the time for that. He's held strictly for extradition by now.

duxup 7y ago

"are not extremely stressful." That's not torture.

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div 7y ago
> The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture.
- duxup 7y ago
  I read the articles. As I noted I disagree. If he didn't divulge something(s) that also added to his assessment I can't account for that.
  - colourgarden 7y ago
    Do you have a source to disprove or challenge the UN's definition of torture? Solitary confinement is often used during war. That Assange is incarcerated in a civilian prison doesn't necessarily diminish or change the effectiveness and impact.
  - tripzilch 7y ago
    An American dismissing a UN special rapport about torture. ... I really can't fathom why people would go through such extreme lengths to avoid getting extradited there ... /s

bryanrasmussen 7y ago

many people claim that they are only skipping bail because they believe the charges are fake, but do they really believe that?

boomboomsubban 7y ago
Even if they're lying, they don't deserve the treatment Assange received for that crime.

shadowgovt 7y ago

Would that we all had the luxury of the ability to skip bail on charges we believed were fake, yeah?

nailer 7y ago
We'd also likely not have had the charges leveled upon us in the first place.
- eurasiantiger 7y ago
  As long as we play ball enough.

pcroh 7y ago

Skipping bail on charges he believe were fake is a crime, yes. If we was so sure of the charges being fake then he should have let them judge him.

TomMarius 7y ago
Maybe he didn't trust the judge/court to fairly judge him?
- _jal 7y ago
  It is still a choice he could make (and did), which is more than many have. It is great that people are speaking up about the conditions under which people are punished and the no-win games that put them there. I only wish people could do so when it isn't some high-profile person.
mtgx 7y ago
He didn't fear the charges, he feared the extradition - and that's exactly what happened - Sweden dropped the charges anyway, but he ended-up being extradited.
ddxxdd 7y ago
...except Assange would have been transferred to America to stand trial over Wikileaks before he would even have a chance to stand trial over the rape accusations.
- mcv 7y ago
  I don't think there was an extradition request from the US, was there? Only one from Sweden. And it's very unlikely that Sweden would extradite him to the US for this. They value the free press, but take rape very seriously.
  - vintermann 7y ago
    The plan was to get him to the US all along, unless you want to believe it was a coincidence that Sweden kept up the request for ten years but dropped it the minute it got in the way of extradition to the US. As to why Sweden, who knows why they thought that would be preferable. Maybe just to smear his reputation a bit, to soften the protest at the treatment they want to give him? Very successful if so. But either way, you're talking about the people who forced down the Bolivian president's plane because they thought Snowden might be hiding in it. When they say "the law only matters when the outcome doesn't", this would be an example of a case where the outcome (stop Wikileaks) mattered.

vintermann 7y ago

> Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? No, he's already served the time for that. He's held strictly for extradition by now.