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Sweden doesn't have a death penalty. If it did, UK law would not allow extradition to Sweden.

Miner49er 7y ago
I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S. The U.S. does have the death penalty, and it would be on the table if the U.S. didn't tell the U.K. he won't get it. It's still possible that the U.S. lied of course. Either way, he'll likely be put in prison in the U.S. for the rest of his life.
- mariorossi666 7y ago
  > I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S. Citation needed. The fact that Swedes are being honest here, doesn't prove anything.
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. For sexual assault he'd likely already be getting out of prison in Sweden, or at least be very close. Extradition to the U.S. has always been the real threat to him. The fact that he's facing extradition now proves it was a valid concern. Even if the Swedes were honestly just trying to get him for sexual assault, he was still gonna face U.S. extradition. It doesn't matter if they were helping the U.S. knowingly or not.
    - mariorossi666 7y ago
      > He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. Yeah... not really. He's guilty of being a dick to women and is finally paying for it. According to court transcripts, Assange said he “wanted to impregnate women” and “preferred virgins because he would be the first to impregnate them”. He also reportedly told one of his alleged victims that “Sweden is a good country to have kids in”. It’s unclear if Assange has engaged in this behavior with other women, but it is clear that he was fixated on, if not obsessed with, impregnating women. By the time he was accused of sexual assault, he had impregnated at least four women, all of whom gave birth to the children. There also was the time when he tried to scare them, to make them drop charges by using wikileaks as a weapon to frame them as manipulators “An actual court case is going to be very, very hard for these women,” he warned. “They will be reviled forever by a large segment of the global population, so I don’t think it’s in their interest to proceed that way.” And he also wanted to share his opinion on Sweden with the rest of the World “I fell into a hornets’ nest of revolutionary feminism,” Assange said in a 2010 interview during which he also described Sweden as “the Saudi Arabia of feminism”. Imagine saying the same thing of U.S. in U.S. while accused of having raped a woman from U.S.A. He clearly deserve what happened to him in Sweden, I don't know about the rest, but the Sweden rape case was the nail on his coffin, and he's the sole responsible for it. https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/02/julian-assange-is-a-misogynist-and-yes-that-matters/ https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/02/julian-assange-is-a-misog...
      - WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
        > being a dick to women I'll take things that are not crimes being used as proof of a crime for 1000, Alex.
        mariorossi666 7y ago
        > I'll take things that are not crimes being used as proof of a crime for 1000, Alex. Rape is a crime.
        WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
        You said 'being a dick to women' and 'is finally paying for it'....
        mariorossi666 7y ago
        raping women is being a dick with women. And this wasn't the first time he was accused of rape. It was at least the fourth time. So yeah, being that kind of dick to women is a crime in my book.
      - im3w1l 7y ago
        This is valuable context I have not seen posted in an Assange thread here before, thanks.
    - isostatic 7y ago
      > he was still gonna face U.S. extradition Which would have been no different to the UK Lets take the conspiracy theory at face value 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are dropped, but instead the US extradites him from Sweden to the US 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, gets off, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, goes to jail, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US after his sentence 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange doesn't goes to Sweden 4) The US extradites him from UK to the US Why is Scenario 4 any different to scenarios 1, 2, 3?
      - monocasa 7y ago
        Extraordinary rendition. Sweden has historically been more than happy to just let US intelligence just black bag Swedish residents and take them to prisons in countries that allow torture, whereas until recently the UK wouldn't even let extraordinary rendition flights refuel on British territory.
- isostatic 7y ago
  So he'll be extradited from Sweden, but not from the UK? Why?
ptaipale 7y ago
It doesn't work quite like that. People can be extradited to countries that have death penalty, as long as the country gives guarantees that death penalty (or other cruel punishment) will not be applied. Thus it is possible for a person to be extradited to U.S. for a murder committed in the U.S., but the death penalty is then not possible.
- isostatic 7y ago
  Well yes, it was a shorthand. There aren't many countries with the death penalty that the UK has an extradition treaty with - 12 out of 121.
stjohnswarts 7y ago
Yeah but Sweden was just going to turn him over to the USA.
- isostatic 7y ago
  They denied this. Why would liberal Sweden tarnish their reputation? What makes Sweden more likely to extradite him than the UK?
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    I didn't say the UK wouldn't, I believe both countries would turn him over rather quickly to the USA to get some diplomatic points. They don't care what happens to Assange because he is a citizen of neither one.
    - isostatic 7y ago
      So why the whole charade of extraditing him from the UK to Sweden, to then begin the "to US" process, when the "to US" process could have simply started in the UK?

I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S. The U.S. does have the death penalty, and it would be on the table if the U.S. didn't tell the U.K. he won't get it. It's still possible that the U.S. lied of course. Either way, he'll likely be put in prison in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

mariorossi666 7y ago
> I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S. Citation needed. The fact that Swedes are being honest here, doesn't prove anything.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. For sexual assault he'd likely already be getting out of prison in Sweden, or at least be very close. Extradition to the U.S. has always been the real threat to him. The fact that he's facing extradition now proves it was a valid concern. Even if the Swedes were honestly just trying to get him for sexual assault, he was still gonna face U.S. extradition. It doesn't matter if they were helping the U.S. knowingly or not.
  - mariorossi666 7y ago
    > He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. Yeah... not really. He's guilty of being a dick to women and is finally paying for it. According to court transcripts, Assange said he “wanted to impregnate women” and “preferred virgins because he would be the first to impregnate them”. He also reportedly told one of his alleged victims that “Sweden is a good country to have kids in”. It’s unclear if Assange has engaged in this behavior with other women, but it is clear that he was fixated on, if not obsessed with, impregnating women. By the time he was accused of sexual assault, he had impregnated at least four women, all of whom gave birth to the children. There also was the time when he tried to scare them, to make them drop charges by using wikileaks as a weapon to frame them as manipulators “An actual court case is going to be very, very hard for these women,” he warned. “They will be reviled forever by a large segment of the global population, so I don’t think it’s in their interest to proceed that way.” And he also wanted to share his opinion on Sweden with the rest of the World “I fell into a hornets’ nest of revolutionary feminism,” Assange said in a 2010 interview during which he also described Sweden as “the Saudi Arabia of feminism”. Imagine saying the same thing of U.S. in U.S. while accused of having raped a woman from U.S.A. He clearly deserve what happened to him in Sweden, I don't know about the rest, but the Sweden rape case was the nail on his coffin, and he's the sole responsible for it. https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/02/julian-assange-is-a-misogynist-and-yes-that-matters/ https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/02/julian-assange-is-a-misog...
    - WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
      > being a dick to women I'll take things that are not crimes being used as proof of a crime for 1000, Alex.
      - mariorossi666 7y ago
        > I'll take things that are not crimes being used as proof of a crime for 1000, Alex. Rape is a crime.
        WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
        You said 'being a dick to women' and 'is finally paying for it'....
        mariorossi666 7y ago
        raping women is being a dick with women. And this wasn't the first time he was accused of rape. It was at least the fourth time. So yeah, being that kind of dick to women is a crime in my book.
    - im3w1l 7y ago
      This is valuable context I have not seen posted in an Assange thread here before, thanks.
  - isostatic 7y ago
    > he was still gonna face U.S. extradition Which would have been no different to the UK Lets take the conspiracy theory at face value 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are dropped, but instead the US extradites him from Sweden to the US 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, gets off, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, goes to jail, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US after his sentence 1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange doesn't goes to Sweden 4) The US extradites him from UK to the US Why is Scenario 4 any different to scenarios 1, 2, 3?
    - monocasa 7y ago
      Extraordinary rendition. Sweden has historically been more than happy to just let US intelligence just black bag Swedish residents and take them to prisons in countries that allow torture, whereas until recently the UK wouldn't even let extraordinary rendition flights refuel on British territory.
isostatic 7y ago
So he'll be extradited from Sweden, but not from the UK? Why?

ptaipale 7y ago

It doesn't work quite like that. People can be extradited to countries that have death penalty, as long as the country gives guarantees that death penalty (or other cruel punishment) will not be applied. Thus it is possible for a person to be extradited to U.S. for a murder committed in the U.S., but the death penalty is then not possible.

isostatic 7y ago
Well yes, it was a shorthand. There aren't many countries with the death penalty that the UK has an extradition treaty with - 12 out of 121.

stjohnswarts 7y ago

Yeah but Sweden was just going to turn him over to the USA.

isostatic 7y ago
They denied this. Why would liberal Sweden tarnish their reputation? What makes Sweden more likely to extradite him than the UK?
- stjohnswarts 7y ago
  I didn't say the UK wouldn't, I believe both countries would turn him over rather quickly to the USA to get some diplomatic points. They don't care what happens to Assange because he is a citizen of neither one.
  - isostatic 7y ago
    So why the whole charade of extraditing him from the UK to Sweden, to then begin the "to US" process, when the "to US" process could have simply started in the UK?