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1. His self-imposed sequester was not in prison and had NOTHING to do with justice or serving time. He willingly chose his location and is allowed to leave it a

1. His self-imposed sequester was not in prison and had NOTHING to do with justice or serving time. He willingly chose his location and is allowed to leave it at any moment. Can you say that of any prisoner? He had free access to internet and visitors and many many luxuries rightfully denied to criminals serving time 2. Even if you think his "self-imposed punishment" was bad, it categorically by definition is not justice, and as this point, he raped a woman (understood the limits of her consent, and violated that consent to engage in non-consensual sex) and has gotten away with it with literally zero repercussion. Even from a rehabilitation standpoint, does anyway seriously think Julian learned his lesson and will respect consent after he literally got away with raping someone?

ceejayoz 7y ago
His embassy conditions, by all accounts, were pretty similar to a Nordic prison. "Allowed to leave at any moment" is a bit of a disingenuous way of describing "be immediately arrested and taken to real-jail". His freedom of movement was severely restricted for a good part of a decade - that's a significant repercussion, even if not directly inflicted by a court. > Even from a rehabilitation standpoint, does anyway seriously think Julian learned his lesson and will respect consent after he literally got away with raping someone? Oh, not at all, but the same is true for many of those who go through the normal justice system.
criley2 7y ago
I don't care if his voluntary embassy stay was "similar to a Nordic prison" because he was not made to stand trial and face justice for his crimes. Justice isn't "well I did a bad thing and locked myself in a comfy house with internet and takeout food for a few years". Could you even imagine? His "freedom of movement" is self-restricted by his fear that he will have to face justice for acting as an agent of Russian military intelligence to attack America including laundering Russian intelligence into America to upset elections. He got away with raping a woman completely. Zero justice, zero rehabilitation, zero punishment. His voluntary embassy stay is related to his fear of facing justice for playing spy games, not for rape. EDIT: It's disgusting how many people are justifying his lack of justice for raping a woman by saying that his unrelated embassy stay "makes up" for it. What happened to morality? He raped a woman and did not stand trial for it. He received no punishment. If you did this, make no mistake, you'd have gone to prison. Because you're not an agent government playing spy games. Because protecting you doesn't advance a nations anti-west ideology. Because you're a regular person so you have to face regular person justice.
- friendlybus 7y ago
  Really depends on what you mean by 'got away with rape'. He spoke to one judge who questioned him and left him free to go. The case got closed and the reopened by a completely different judge and he was called back. The political ties of the woman he slept with leaves a lot of unknown questions in place. He had a modicum of interaction with the justice system and offered to be questioned over the phone which they religiously denied. Nobody should get away with rape, but it's not clear to me that's what the story is in regards to justice.
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- lovetox 7y ago
  > He got away with raping a woman completely. Why are you saying this like it's a undeniable fact?
  - iamnothere 7y ago
    Especially since the original "victim" retracted the allegations. Sweden simply refused to drop the charges afterwards, apparently for political reasons.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      That doesn't appear to be the case. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assange-rape-victim-elisabeth-fritz-sweden-drop-investigation-wikileaks-stockholm-british-a7744741.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan... "The woman who accused Julian Assange of rape has said she is 'shocked' by Sweden’s decision to drop the seven-year investigation."
      - 7y ago
himinlomax 7y ago
He chose conditions that were arguably worse in most respects but one (access to communication/internet) than a Swedish prison. Prison sentences in Sweden are hardly ever longer than his stay in the embassy, except for the most heinous crimes. His claim all along was that he seek refuge in the embassy were because he feared US extradition. Those claims were ridiculed by his opponents. They are now incontrovertibly verified as true.
- criley2 7y ago
  >He chose conditions that were arguably worse in most respects but one (access to communication/internet) than a Swedish prison. Are Nordic prisoners allowed to walk out the front door wheneever they choose? Last time I checked, prison required removing freedom. You have to 'escape' prison, not walk out the front door. Just saying, this bad rationalization only works on people biased towards Julian and looking to excuse his rape and the lack of justice therein. Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? I bet he wanted internet, unlimited guest visits, London takeout, and the freedom to leave whenever he wanted, as well as being able to avoid a court trial and never have to be declared guilty. "Justice!" (to the tune of "The Aristocrats!")
  - mariorossi666 7y ago
    > Are Nordic prisoners allowed to walk out the front door wheneever they choose? Swedish prisons are a lot better than Embassy of Ecuador in London, if you have to live recluded, at least chose the best. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11256813/In-Sweden-we-treat-our-prisoners-like-human-beings-not-like-criminals.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11256813/... > Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? We should ask him. Maybe because he's paranoid?
  - iamnothere 7y ago
    > Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? Because he was worried about the US finding some flimsy justification to extradite him (an Australian citizen) and prosecute him locally. Fears which, apparently, were justified.
behringer 7y ago
If Julian makes it to the US he'll be executed just like Epstein.

ceejayoz 7y ago

His embassy conditions, by all accounts, were pretty similar to a Nordic prison. "Allowed to leave at any moment" is a bit of a disingenuous way of describing "be immediately arrested and taken to real-jail". His freedom of movement was severely restricted for a good part of a decade - that's a significant repercussion, even if not directly inflicted by a court. > Even from a rehabilitation standpoint, does anyway seriously think Julian learned his lesson and will respect consent after he literally got away with raping someone? Oh, not at all, but the same is true for many of those who go through the normal justice system.

criley2 7y ago

I don't care if his voluntary embassy stay was "similar to a Nordic prison" because he was not made to stand trial and face justice for his crimes. Justice isn't "well I did a bad thing and locked myself in a comfy house with internet and takeout food for a few years". Could you even imagine? His "freedom of movement" is self-restricted by his fear that he will have to face justice for acting as an agent of Russian military intelligence to attack America including laundering Russian intelligence into America to upset elections. He got away with raping a woman completely. Zero justice, zero rehabilitation, zero punishment. His voluntary embassy stay is related to his fear of facing justice for playing spy games, not for rape. EDIT: It's disgusting how many people are justifying his lack of justice for raping a woman by saying that his unrelated embassy stay "makes up" for it. What happened to morality? He raped a woman and did not stand trial for it. He received no punishment. If you did this, make no mistake, you'd have gone to prison. Because you're not an agent government playing spy games. Because protecting you doesn't advance a nations anti-west ideology. Because you're a regular person so you have to face regular person justice.

friendlybus 7y ago
Really depends on what you mean by 'got away with rape'. He spoke to one judge who questioned him and left him free to go. The case got closed and the reopened by a completely different judge and he was called back. The political ties of the woman he slept with leaves a lot of unknown questions in place. He had a modicum of interaction with the justice system and offered to be questioned over the phone which they religiously denied. Nobody should get away with rape, but it's not clear to me that's what the story is in regards to justice.
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lovetox 7y ago
> He got away with raping a woman completely. Why are you saying this like it's a undeniable fact?
- iamnothere 7y ago
  Especially since the original "victim" retracted the allegations. Sweden simply refused to drop the charges afterwards, apparently for political reasons.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    That doesn't appear to be the case. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assange-rape-victim-elisabeth-fritz-sweden-drop-investigation-wikileaks-stockholm-british-a7744741.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan... "The woman who accused Julian Assange of rape has said she is 'shocked' by Sweden’s decision to drop the seven-year investigation."
    - 7y ago

himinlomax 7y ago

He chose conditions that were arguably worse in most respects but one (access to communication/internet) than a Swedish prison. Prison sentences in Sweden are hardly ever longer than his stay in the embassy, except for the most heinous crimes. His claim all along was that he seek refuge in the embassy were because he feared US extradition. Those claims were ridiculed by his opponents. They are now incontrovertibly verified as true.

criley2 7y ago
>He chose conditions that were arguably worse in most respects but one (access to communication/internet) than a Swedish prison. Are Nordic prisoners allowed to walk out the front door wheneever they choose? Last time I checked, prison required removing freedom. You have to 'escape' prison, not walk out the front door. Just saying, this bad rationalization only works on people biased towards Julian and looking to excuse his rape and the lack of justice therein. Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? I bet he wanted internet, unlimited guest visits, London takeout, and the freedom to leave whenever he wanted, as well as being able to avoid a court trial and never have to be declared guilty. "Justice!" (to the tune of "The Aristocrats!")
- mariorossi666 7y ago
  > Are Nordic prisoners allowed to walk out the front door wheneever they choose? Swedish prisons are a lot better than Embassy of Ecuador in London, if you have to live recluded, at least chose the best. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11256813/In-Sweden-we-treat-our-prisoners-like-human-beings-not-like-criminals.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11256813/... > Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? We should ask him. Maybe because he's paranoid?
- iamnothere 7y ago
  > Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead? Because he was worried about the US finding some flimsy justification to extradite him (an Australian citizen) and prosecute him locally. Fears which, apparently, were justified.

behringer 7y ago

If Julian makes it to the US he'll be executed just like Epstein.