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Your potential to do what? Trade happiness for money? Because that’s how this works. We’re totally sold on the idea that more money means a better life. More.

Your potential to do what? Trade happiness for money? Because that’s how this works. We’re totally sold on the idea that more money means a better life. More. More. Always more. Always wanting. Always lacking. Happiness isn’t in more. It’s in everything. You just have to have the time to find it - and time is the crux. You only live once; time is your most precious and finite commodity. Each day that passes is irrevocably gone - and as morbid as it may be, you don’t know which will be your last. I have had friends drop dead in their 20s and 30s both out of the blue, and after agonising illnesses. If your work makes you happy, great. If your work is gently or not so gently killing you, and you are persevering for some abstract goal of “more”, you are taking a dangerous wager - your precious time against the chance of making it into the 0.0001% - the idea being that if you win, then you won’t have to work. That’s fundamentally the bet we take when we venture into a career. There’s a shortcut. Don’t work any more than you absolutely have to to keep the lights on. I left my business a few years ago after a decade, withered and broken, mentally and physically damaged. I do as little contracting as I can get away with to cover my living expenses, which I’ve dramatically cut by moving off grid in a cheap country. I have so much time to read, to work on projects and hobbies, to just stand and stare at the river running by. I used to stand in the shower, weeping, and think about how I would kill myself. Now I weep only with happiness. Life doesn’t have to be a slog.

1996 7y ago
No prospect, no future. You seem to be waiting for death.
- madaxe_again 7y ago
  No, I’m living life. If you measure your entire worth through your position in a corporate hierarchy, sure, no future. Life isn’t about how much stuff you have, but that’s for you to find out - most only discover this just before they die, if ever.
  - 1996 7y ago
    I have little care for such things. Human interaction is different - as is doing things with other human beings. Hobby, work, paid, volunteer - doesn't matter. You seem to be living a recluse life. I find that concerning
- CalRobert 7y ago
  As are you - so what are you doing while waiting?
  - 1996 7y ago
    projects, things. Not maximizing the time spent doing nothing or just introspecting off the grid, in a country chosen just because it was cheap. There is a time and place for everything, but after a while it is best to interact and relate with other human beings.
    - madaxe_again 7y ago
      The irony of you talking about relating to other human beings is staggering, given your unwarranted condescension. I didn’t just chose here because it was cheap - I went for quality of life. Friendly locals, good food, sunshine, nature, and a generally laid back culture. I spent two years after quitting wandering the earth, weighing up options, seeing how other people live, broadening my horizons. Because I’m not spending money to make money and have no fixed calendar, I can go travel when everyone else is at school or work, meet up with friends, meet new people, experience new cultures. You can see a lot of planet for a little money, if you have time - I’ve driven the length of the Americas, from Ushuaia to Anchorage, the breadth of Eurasia, from London to Singapore, and down the west coast of Africa - and oh boy do I meander. In these past few years I’ve written two novels, dozens of shorts, and I’m about to be (not self) published. In the last few months I’ve installed solar energy, built a dam, installed hydro energy, run plumbing, installed hot and cold running water, and inbetween I’ve found the time to go crayfish fishing and mushrooming with the locals. Sitting on the riverbank boiling up dinner you just caught and foraged with a bunch of other humans is the epitome of human interaction. Being a cubicle jerk isn’t interaction, it’s a facsimile of interaction, divorced from human meaning, with a mechanistic ersatz set of values imposed by a group delusion. I bought into it for too long - and only now am I beginning to realise my potential.
      - CalRobert 7y ago
        I don't see contact info in your profile, but I'd love a link to your novel (or email address if you care to converse). I haven't wandered, but living somewhere really cheap where my modest house is paid off in cash and monthly expenses are tiny, is life changing. If I'd done it younger, I might've done more of what you describe, but as it is it's liberating if you've got a family too. It's amazing the decisions you can make when "I want to take this risk or do that thing" has a worst-case outcome of "oh well, I still have a secure home for me and my family" and not "oh crap we're living out of a van". Mortgages are death to life - actual life - perhaps why that have "Mort" right there in the name.
CalRobert 7y ago
You've expressed a nagging feeling I've had for years beautifully here. "Work hard and maximize your potential for... maybe someday having the luxury of time?" Nevermind that there's a cost to every hour spent working and it grows and grows with time. How many Sunday afternoons have you got left in your life? maybe 2800 if you're thirty? How many Sunday afternoons with a strong body? How many with your partner or kids? Do you want to trade those to answer some random bullshit on Slack? Is your job increasing net happiness, at least indirectly, or is it just pointless bullshit? I think the idea is gaining traction - MrMoneyMoustache, etc. are popular but a huge amount of the things we're supposed to derive meaning from are just scaffolding around emptiness. We live like gods compared to a few centuries ago, maybe we should take the time to enjoy it.

1996 7y ago

No prospect, no future. You seem to be waiting for death.

madaxe_again 7y ago
No, I’m living life. If you measure your entire worth through your position in a corporate hierarchy, sure, no future. Life isn’t about how much stuff you have, but that’s for you to find out - most only discover this just before they die, if ever.
- 1996 7y ago
  I have little care for such things. Human interaction is different - as is doing things with other human beings. Hobby, work, paid, volunteer - doesn't matter. You seem to be living a recluse life. I find that concerning
CalRobert 7y ago
As are you - so what are you doing while waiting?
- 1996 7y ago
  projects, things. Not maximizing the time spent doing nothing or just introspecting off the grid, in a country chosen just because it was cheap. There is a time and place for everything, but after a while it is best to interact and relate with other human beings.
  - madaxe_again 7y ago
    The irony of you talking about relating to other human beings is staggering, given your unwarranted condescension. I didn’t just chose here because it was cheap - I went for quality of life. Friendly locals, good food, sunshine, nature, and a generally laid back culture. I spent two years after quitting wandering the earth, weighing up options, seeing how other people live, broadening my horizons. Because I’m not spending money to make money and have no fixed calendar, I can go travel when everyone else is at school or work, meet up with friends, meet new people, experience new cultures. You can see a lot of planet for a little money, if you have time - I’ve driven the length of the Americas, from Ushuaia to Anchorage, the breadth of Eurasia, from London to Singapore, and down the west coast of Africa - and oh boy do I meander. In these past few years I’ve written two novels, dozens of shorts, and I’m about to be (not self) published. In the last few months I’ve installed solar energy, built a dam, installed hydro energy, run plumbing, installed hot and cold running water, and inbetween I’ve found the time to go crayfish fishing and mushrooming with the locals. Sitting on the riverbank boiling up dinner you just caught and foraged with a bunch of other humans is the epitome of human interaction. Being a cubicle jerk isn’t interaction, it’s a facsimile of interaction, divorced from human meaning, with a mechanistic ersatz set of values imposed by a group delusion. I bought into it for too long - and only now am I beginning to realise my potential.
    - CalRobert 7y ago
      I don't see contact info in your profile, but I'd love a link to your novel (or email address if you care to converse). I haven't wandered, but living somewhere really cheap where my modest house is paid off in cash and monthly expenses are tiny, is life changing. If I'd done it younger, I might've done more of what you describe, but as it is it's liberating if you've got a family too. It's amazing the decisions you can make when "I want to take this risk or do that thing" has a worst-case outcome of "oh well, I still have a secure home for me and my family" and not "oh crap we're living out of a van". Mortgages are death to life - actual life - perhaps why that have "Mort" right there in the name.

CalRobert 7y ago

You've expressed a nagging feeling I've had for years beautifully here. "Work hard and maximize your potential for... maybe someday having the luxury of time?" Nevermind that there's a cost to every hour spent working and it grows and grows with time. How many Sunday afternoons have you got left in your life? maybe 2800 if you're thirty? How many Sunday afternoons with a strong body? How many with your partner or kids? Do you want to trade those to answer some random bullshit on Slack? Is your job increasing net happiness, at least indirectly, or is it just pointless bullshit? I think the idea is gaining traction - MrMoneyMoustache, etc. are popular but a huge amount of the things we're supposed to derive meaning from are just scaffolding around emptiness. We live like gods compared to a few centuries ago, maybe we should take the time to enjoy it.