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This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss o

by VvR-Ox 7y ago

This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss of ports that are still industry standard and used every day for some years to come. Probably this is the start for Apple to find back to some quality and say goodbye to strange experiments. Users should feel good using a device and not pay a lot of $$$ to become Beta-Test Lab Rats.

gbersac 7y ago
I personnaly support their "all usb C" politics. A world where every device will share the same cable will be better.
- allendoerfer 7y ago
  All phones do. Except that one from Apple.
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  I basically concur but not all of us can just "flick a switch" here. The most of my customers still need a lot of "obsolete" connectors as well as my devices which I won't replace just because they have no USB-C yet. In 5-10 years maybe but they will come up with other standards until then and the race will go on. I think it is a matter of your domain(s) how cutting-edge your choices can be.
w1nst0nsm1th 7y ago
These were no experiment. These changes were only a matter of cutting cost. The new butterfly system was cheaper to produce than the old one. Old keyboard design were more complicated. And the keys made from a more sturdy plastic. I have removed and replaced several keys on both kind keyboard and I broke partially 2 key from the new keyboard, using a more fragile plastic but none of the old version, this taking account to the fact that the new key were more easy to remove. The USB-C choice was also about reducing cost. Integrate 2 USB-C is less expensive than integrate 1 power input, 2 thunderbolts, 2 USB 3, 1 card reader, and 1 hdmi output. Removing the MacSafe for the cheap defective usb-c power plug (after 1 year, the cable don't stay stuck anymore in the USB-C, causing the macbook battery to discharge without useur knowledge, and forcing him to push back the cable a least 10 time as day because of the low quality of the component, no matter the cable you used to plug your macbook) was also about cutting cost. On the pretense to changing design and and adopting new trends, the have cut cost by reducing the quality and the number of feature of their computer. That's how they became the richest company in the world.
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  In this case they should have done their market analysis properly I think. One of the USP's for Apple devices for me always was the quality of materials and production. Weakening this point of reference by opting for poor quality materials and implementing strange new designs that break fast is poor product management in my opinion. I don't see that behavior in Apple's past so often - the opposite is true. Look at the iPhones for example: The early models had a plastic case and buttons and then they introduces more metal etc. somewhere around the 4/5s. The same happened with their notebooks: They started with cheap plastic cases and upgraded to metal. Nice. There is more products where they excelled at improving the features and the quality. If it is their choice to leave this USP in the dust they will loose customers like me because quality, good materials and stuff like that are very important for some people.

by VvR-Ox 7y ago

gbersac 7y ago

I personnaly support their "all usb C" politics. A world where every device will share the same cable will be better.

allendoerfer 7y ago
All phones do. Except that one from Apple.
VvR-Ox 7y ago
I basically concur but not all of us can just "flick a switch" here. The most of my customers still need a lot of "obsolete" connectors as well as my devices which I won't replace just because they have no USB-C yet. In 5-10 years maybe but they will come up with other standards until then and the race will go on. I think it is a matter of your domain(s) how cutting-edge your choices can be.

w1nst0nsm1th 7y ago

These were no experiment. These changes were only a matter of cutting cost. The new butterfly system was cheaper to produce than the old one. Old keyboard design were more complicated. And the keys made from a more sturdy plastic. I have removed and replaced several keys on both kind keyboard and I broke partially 2 key from the new keyboard, using a more fragile plastic but none of the old version, this taking account to the fact that the new key were more easy to remove. The USB-C choice was also about reducing cost. Integrate 2 USB-C is less expensive than integrate 1 power input, 2 thunderbolts, 2 USB 3, 1 card reader, and 1 hdmi output. Removing the MacSafe for the cheap defective usb-c power plug (after 1 year, the cable don't stay stuck anymore in the USB-C, causing the macbook battery to discharge without useur knowledge, and forcing him to push back the cable a least 10 time as day because of the low quality of the component, no matter the cable you used to plug your macbook) was also about cutting cost. On the pretense to changing design and and adopting new trends, the have cut cost by reducing the quality and the number of feature of their computer. That's how they became the richest company in the world.

VvR-Ox 7y ago
In this case they should have done their market analysis properly I think. One of the USP's for Apple devices for me always was the quality of materials and production. Weakening this point of reference by opting for poor quality materials and implementing strange new designs that break fast is poor product management in my opinion. I don't see that behavior in Apple's past so often - the opposite is true. Look at the iPhones for example: The early models had a plastic case and buttons and then they introduces more metal etc. somewhere around the 4/5s. The same happened with their notebooks: They started with cheap plastic cases and upgraded to metal. Nice. There is more products where they excelled at improving the features and the quality. If it is their choice to leave this USP in the dust they will loose customers like me because quality, good materials and stuff like that are very important for some people.