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(Disclaimer: yWorks employee and developer here) We do have a more modern web-based graph editor: https://www.yworks.com/yed-live/ https://www.yworks.com/yed-l

by ygra 7y ago

(Disclaimer: yWorks employee and developer here) We do have a more modern web-based graph editor: https://www.yworks.com/yed-live/ https://www.yworks.com/yed-live/ It may lack features you need, as the idea was a less cluttered and more modern UI, not to bring over everything and the kitchen sink. As far as yEd Desktop goes, Java becomes an increasingly unattractive platform for desktop development, with Swing showing varying degrees of brokenness on different platforms and Java releases. The new hotness right now seems to be to either get working printing or working High-DPI support, but not both in the same Java release. It's due for a minor UI overhaul, though, and this may come in the future. We probably cannot and won't completely restructure yEd's UI (such things also serve well to piss off long-time users).

tannhaeuser 7y ago
If Java becomes increasingly unattractive, what are you eying as replacement? I won't defend Java/Swing, but at least it does HiDPI (in contrast to eg. JavaFX and RCP last I checked, even though printing is broken w/ HiDPI as you said). There aren't that many alternatives for cross-platform desktop apps (qtk comes to mind, but it's a rather big departure from Java I guess).
- ygra 7y ago
  For us the most attractive option would probably be to wrap yEd Live in Electron. We're not a large team and rewriting yEd with something else is a major undertaking (especially for a tool given away for free). That makes it hard to justify development costs. Personally, I'm still hoping for Microsoft to see the need for a good cross-platform managed-code UI toolkit. Perhaps they're open to funding or adopting Avalonia. But perhaps that's just me being open to rewriting an aging Java application in C# ;-)
  - tannhaeuser 7y ago
    Interesting. Btw I have an old half-finished Java Swing diagramming (not UML) app lying around waiting to see the light of the day in ... this millenium hopefully ;) Electron is surprisingly good-behaving and I get that it's of course attractive to develop mostly a web app that can also be deployed as desktop app, but isn't entirely without problems (for one, it isn't accepted in the App Store as it is). Things always look brighter on the other side of the fence, but throwing away your whole Java code base is kindof gross. Maybe we Java old schoolers could push JetBrains to open their Swing refactorings (of which I suppose there must be many) or sell their renovated Swing + Addons as a rich desktop appdev product. It's only in their best interest for Swing to have a future. And as IntelliJ shows, Swing isn't half bad a GUI toolkit in the hands of competent developers.

by ygra 7y ago

tannhaeuser 7y ago

If Java becomes increasingly unattractive, what are you eying as replacement? I won't defend Java/Swing, but at least it does HiDPI (in contrast to eg. JavaFX and RCP last I checked, even though printing is broken w/ HiDPI as you said). There aren't that many alternatives for cross-platform desktop apps (qtk comes to mind, but it's a rather big departure from Java I guess).

ygra 7y ago
For us the most attractive option would probably be to wrap yEd Live in Electron. We're not a large team and rewriting yEd with something else is a major undertaking (especially for a tool given away for free). That makes it hard to justify development costs. Personally, I'm still hoping for Microsoft to see the need for a good cross-platform managed-code UI toolkit. Perhaps they're open to funding or adopting Avalonia. But perhaps that's just me being open to rewriting an aging Java application in C# ;-)
- tannhaeuser 7y ago
  Interesting. Btw I have an old half-finished Java Swing diagramming (not UML) app lying around waiting to see the light of the day in ... this millenium hopefully ;) Electron is surprisingly good-behaving and I get that it's of course attractive to develop mostly a web app that can also be deployed as desktop app, but isn't entirely without problems (for one, it isn't accepted in the App Store as it is). Things always look brighter on the other side of the fence, but throwing away your whole Java code base is kindof gross. Maybe we Java old schoolers could push JetBrains to open their Swing refactorings (of which I suppose there must be many) or sell their renovated Swing + Addons as a rich desktop appdev product. It's only in their best interest for Swing to have a future. And as IntelliJ shows, Swing isn't half bad a GUI toolkit in the hands of competent developers.