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Here's why: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/ http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/ "Israel: The ugly truth", "A week of racism in Israel", "An education i

by jacobmg 16y ago

Here's why: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/ http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/ "Israel: The ugly truth", "A week of racism in Israel", "An education in inequality" Notice something out of proportion here? I know many people are keen to jump on the "Al Jazeera is great" bandwagon, but this level of intolerance is simply not appealing to Americans. Yes, there is anti-Islamic sentiment to a degree among a small portion of Americans, but it doesn't reach the levels on display here. This is a pattern of Al Jazeera's, which makes sense because news organizations do tend to slant their views to fit general trends among the populations of the countries they serve in. It makes a lot more sense that Al Jazeera is so well spoken of here just because it is a significant shift from what were used to in the feeble mainstream US media, rather than Al Jazeera actually putting a much deeper level of intellectual effort into their news. In reality it's just an illusion that it's something objectively better. As far as the sometimes thorough reports Al Jazeera puts out, people must realize that PBS and NPR are also American news organizations.

rdtsc 16y ago
> In reality it's just an illusion that it's something objectively better. Why do you say that? They do seem to have a better and broader news coverage. > "Israel: The ugly truth" ... Notice something out of proportion here? No. I think it is a well written article. Are you implying that anyone criticizing Israel should be automatically discarded on the basis of intolerance?
- jacobmg 16y ago
  > Are you implying that anyone criticizing Israel should be automatically discarded on the basis of intolerance? You don't seem to have listened. It wasn't about that one article, it was about their coverage of the issue, which is skewed in one obvious direction. And by the way, the article is nothing more than a bunch of anecdotes misrepresented as an accurate representation of the issue (the article itself even acknowledges this but ignores the implications.) When you take instances of violence by individuals and try to assert it's a general pattern, that is hate mongering, plain and simple. Quote from the article: 'Bayu says: "It's obvious that [things] can go to another level. This is what happened in Germany and many other places."' Look, it even comes with allusions to the comparison of Israel and the Nazis! >Why do you say that? They do seem to have a better and broader news coverage. "They do seem" as a claim on it's own has no persuasive power.
  - teyc 16y ago
    Jacob, are you in Israel? Would you care to shed some perspective? For instance, are the races segregated? Are children taught to distrust other races? Are they taught all peoples are equal?
    - tkahn6 16y ago
      > For instance, are the races segregated? No. I'm curious, is this a rhetorical question or are you genuinely ignorant of Israeli domestic policy?
    - jacobmg 16y ago
      Just an American here, but there is no racial segregation or systematized racism of any kind in Israel. 'Racism' and 'Apartheid' are just thrown around carelessly at Israel by some critics.
      - teyc 16y ago
        You are just making things up.
        jacobmg 16y ago
        No, everything claimed is easy to verify. Races aren't segregated, racism isn't taught (as in, it's not part of the curriculum.) All races are equal under Israeli law. Your education on this subject had to have been seriously skewed to think otherwise.
        srean 16y ago
        From what I remember from posts on HN by Israeli citizens, but of ethnically non-Jewish background its not quite the clear picture you paint. Leaving aside Palestinian civilians who do not have recourse to the same civic laws and roads as Israeli citizens, Israeli Arabs do not have the same rights even legally (let alone inconsistent application of existing laws) as Jewish citizens. These discrepancies crop up in different spheres of life, from marriage to permit for visiting cities to owning property.

by jacobmg 16y ago

rdtsc 16y ago

> In reality it's just an illusion that it's something objectively better. Why do you say that? They do seem to have a better and broader news coverage. > "Israel: The ugly truth" ... Notice something out of proportion here? No. I think it is a well written article. Are you implying that anyone criticizing Israel should be automatically discarded on the basis of intolerance?

jacobmg 16y ago
> Are you implying that anyone criticizing Israel should be automatically discarded on the basis of intolerance? You don't seem to have listened. It wasn't about that one article, it was about their coverage of the issue, which is skewed in one obvious direction. And by the way, the article is nothing more than a bunch of anecdotes misrepresented as an accurate representation of the issue (the article itself even acknowledges this but ignores the implications.) When you take instances of violence by individuals and try to assert it's a general pattern, that is hate mongering, plain and simple. Quote from the article: 'Bayu says: "It's obvious that [things] can go to another level. This is what happened in Germany and many other places."' Look, it even comes with allusions to the comparison of Israel and the Nazis! >Why do you say that? They do seem to have a better and broader news coverage. "They do seem" as a claim on it's own has no persuasive power.
- teyc 16y ago
  Jacob, are you in Israel? Would you care to shed some perspective? For instance, are the races segregated? Are children taught to distrust other races? Are they taught all peoples are equal?
  - tkahn6 16y ago
    > For instance, are the races segregated? No. I'm curious, is this a rhetorical question or are you genuinely ignorant of Israeli domestic policy?
  - jacobmg 16y ago
    Just an American here, but there is no racial segregation or systematized racism of any kind in Israel. 'Racism' and 'Apartheid' are just thrown around carelessly at Israel by some critics.
    - teyc 16y ago
      You are just making things up.
      - jacobmg 16y ago
        No, everything claimed is easy to verify. Races aren't segregated, racism isn't taught (as in, it's not part of the curriculum.) All races are equal under Israeli law. Your education on this subject had to have been seriously skewed to think otherwise.
        srean 16y ago
        From what I remember from posts on HN by Israeli citizens, but of ethnically non-Jewish background its not quite the clear picture you paint. Leaving aside Palestinian civilians who do not have recourse to the same civic laws and roads as Israeli citizens, Israeli Arabs do not have the same rights even legally (let alone inconsistent application of existing laws) as Jewish citizens. These discrepancies crop up in different spheres of life, from marriage to permit for visiting cities to owning property.