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from the article: > “Things you’d do 20 years for in the U.S., you might get a fine in Canada and that’s not lost on criminals,” Mathers told the Star.

paggle 7y ago
The more I hear about other countries' supposedly "enlightened" criminal justice systems the more I prefer the US system. Like this guy who should have gotten the electric chair and got 2 years in a Swiss hotel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev
- soperj 7y ago
  >The more I hear about other countries' supposedly "enlightened" criminal justice systems the more I prefer the US system The "US System" from the outside is incarcerate everyone except those who can afford to not be incarcerated.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  You shouldn’t prefer the US system because of cases like this. First mass incarceration has destroyed whole communities and costs the country enormous amounts. And the US also has plenty of cases with people getting away with bad stuff. Just look at Epstein. This guy should have been locked away probably decades ago but somehow his powerful friends (bipartisan) kept him safe.
- dmix 7y ago
  > On 8 November 2007, Kaloyev was released from prison, because his mental condition was not sufficiently considered in the initial sentence.[12] He got off because of a process technicality on his sentencing (aka due process) not because of a lax criminal justice system. 8yrs for "a charge that falls between murder and manslaughter in Switzerland" would be pretty standard in most countries. The mental state and motives always plays a large role in determining someone's level of guilt. As it should. Plenty of people get off because the prosecutors and judges are either overzealous or not following protocol, which ultimately leads to the opposite happening (legitimate criminals getting off easy).
- asjw 7y ago
  Have you ever tried any other system? Do you have some evidence to back up your conclusion? It looks to me that yours is plain and simple confirmation bias.
- clarkmoody 7y ago
  The "Land of the Free" with one of the highest incarceration rates?
  - munk-a 7y ago
    And wow, what an impressively unbalanced racial skew those incarceration rates have!
- dang 7y ago
  This comment breaks the site guidelines against flamebait and flamewar tangents. We've already had to ask you not to do this. If you keep doing it we're going to have to ban you. Why? Because we don't want HN to be one gigantic flamewar, which is what actions like these lead to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - paggle 7y ago
    I legit would not mind being banned as I would waste less time here. So do what you gotta do
DKnoll 7y ago
The United Nations University World Institute for Development Economics Research has a report on estimated losses due to tax evasion by country in 2013 (published in 2017). https://www.wider.unu.edu/sites/default/files/wp2017-55.pdf https://www.wider.unu.edu/sites/default/files/wp2017-55.pdf Anyone uninterested in reading the whole report can CTRL+F country names (there is a breakdown in the appendix).

paggle 7y ago

The more I hear about other countries' supposedly "enlightened" criminal justice systems the more I prefer the US system. Like this guy who should have gotten the electric chair and got 2 years in a Swiss hotel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev

soperj 7y ago
>The more I hear about other countries' supposedly "enlightened" criminal justice systems the more I prefer the US system The "US System" from the outside is incarcerate everyone except those who can afford to not be incarcerated.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
You shouldn’t prefer the US system because of cases like this. First mass incarceration has destroyed whole communities and costs the country enormous amounts. And the US also has plenty of cases with people getting away with bad stuff. Just look at Epstein. This guy should have been locked away probably decades ago but somehow his powerful friends (bipartisan) kept him safe.
dmix 7y ago
> On 8 November 2007, Kaloyev was released from prison, because his mental condition was not sufficiently considered in the initial sentence.[12] He got off because of a process technicality on his sentencing (aka due process) not because of a lax criminal justice system. 8yrs for "a charge that falls between murder and manslaughter in Switzerland" would be pretty standard in most countries. The mental state and motives always plays a large role in determining someone's level of guilt. As it should. Plenty of people get off because the prosecutors and judges are either overzealous or not following protocol, which ultimately leads to the opposite happening (legitimate criminals getting off easy).
asjw 7y ago
Have you ever tried any other system? Do you have some evidence to back up your conclusion? It looks to me that yours is plain and simple confirmation bias.
clarkmoody 7y ago
The "Land of the Free" with one of the highest incarceration rates?
- munk-a 7y ago
  And wow, what an impressively unbalanced racial skew those incarceration rates have!
dang 7y ago
This comment breaks the site guidelines against flamebait and flamewar tangents. We've already had to ask you not to do this. If you keep doing it we're going to have to ban you. Why? Because we don't want HN to be one gigantic flamewar, which is what actions like these lead to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- paggle 7y ago
  I legit would not mind being banned as I would waste less time here. So do what you gotta do

DKnoll 7y ago

The United Nations University World Institute for Development Economics Research has a report on estimated losses due to tax evasion by country in 2013 (published in 2017). https://www.wider.unu.edu/sites/default/files/wp2017-55.pdf https://www.wider.unu.edu/sites/default/files/wp2017-55.pdf Anyone uninterested in reading the whole report can CTRL+F country names (there is a breakdown in the appendix).