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> I have had to come up with a dollar amount worth several months of expenses on very short notice (same day, life is unpredictable). That seems like a perfect

> I have had to come up with a dollar amount worth several months of expenses on very short notice (same day, life is unpredictable). That seems like a perfect use case for using a credit card to cover the expense and then pay yourself back when your money moves out of the savings account. I have trouble imagining a case outside of a hostage situation where you would need access to your emergency fund same day.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Two examples: Auto purchase where there was an issue with the banking partner of the vehicle manufacturer. Another is a real estate transaction. Bailing friends out of jail is always cheap (~$500), but not everyone takes credit cards (no chance for the first two scenarios). Fundamentally, I should not have to explain why I would desire immediate access to my own cash reserves at a moment's notice to excuse broken financial infrastructure.
- cstoner 7y ago
  Your examples seem like cases that can easily be handled by a checking account. > Fundamentally, I should not have to explain why I would desire immediate access to my own cash reserves at a moment's notice to excuse broken financial infrastructure. Yes, if you are investing in less-liquid assets to get a better RoI then you absolutely do. If you don't like the terms then you are free to keep your cash in your checking account.
  - tlb 7y ago
    Most people are reluctant to accept large personal checks for one-shot transactions. Most people selling cars on Craigslist won't just take a personal check, for instance. It depends a bit on how reputable you look. You can't write one as bail, or to get your car out of the impound lot.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      Most people are reluctant to accept large certified checks or money orders, going back to at least the 90s, because of counterfeits.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Personal and certified checks aren’t immediate or same day settlement, only wires or Zelle transfers are (Zelle transfers can take more than a day depending on the sending and receiving bank). If the settlement isn’t rapid, you can’t guarantee the funds will actually settle (checks). Lots of situations where someone wants the same guarantee as cash or a wire.
  - IggleSniggle 7y ago
    Just bought a brand new car this week from a dealership (US) and the seller refused to accept a check.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      They’ll generally accept a cashier’s check. Ours would also accept a personal one as long as you didn’t mind them delaying mailing the title for a few weeks.
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      - perl4ever 7y ago
        I made a down payment on a car with a money order and the dealer yelled at me that the agreement said they weren't allowed. Eventually they relented, because they wanted to complete the deal. Back in the 90s, I tried to pay for a computer with a certified check and CompUSA treated it as a likely counterfeit.
    - kube-system 7y ago
      That’s crazy. I’ve never had that problem, even when buying cars out of state. Were you paying the full amount by check or something?
      - IggleSniggle 7y ago
        Yes, was attempting to pay full amount. Couldn't remember my PIN to unfreeze my credit, and just seemed like it would be easier since I was in a position to pay in full.
        kube-system 7y ago
        That makes somewhat more sense. Trading a signed title without a lien for a check places a lot of risk on the dealer. Although there are ways to mitigate this, maybe the dealer in your case didn’t feel like bothering or it didn’t occur to them.
- mindslight 7y ago
  I don't think the question is so much asking "why", but rather "what" does "access to my own ... reserves at a moment's notice" even mean in a debt-based financial system? Writing a check is instantaneous, but you obviously don't mean that. If you're talking about wires and the like, then what you're really paying for is the sending institution taking on liability if there turns out to be a cascading problem.
- rjsw 7y ago
  People buy cars in Europe using debit cards, at least in the UK.
  - kube-system 7y ago
    I’ve bought one with a credit card in the US.
fuzzfactor 7y ago
I wouldn't expect Shelby, Mercedes, and their sisters to be held for cash every day myself, but if you really want to bring them home one of the most worthwhile options is cashthedayofthesaleasiswhereisnowarrantiesofany kind. http://www.classic-carauction.com/featured-cars?auctionid=10742 http://www.classic-carauction.com/featured-cars?auctionid=10...
- cstoner 7y ago
  If you're buying a classic car with funds directly from your emergency fund, then more power to you I guess but maybe you should be less impulsive with money set aside for emergencies. Personally, if I'm expecting to make a large cash purchase I have more than a few days notice.
  - brycesbeard 7y ago
    Many people plan poorly and have to sell collectibles quickly for immediate cash. I know people who buy and sell cars purchased from folks who need money quickly (matter of hours) and will get crazy deals simply because they have cash on hand on eg a Sunday evening.
    - fuzzfactor 7y ago
      That particular auction is coming up in a few days. Much more within reach to bid on a regular used car at the common auctions that regular used car dealers buy from. Or you could purchase more leisurely from the dealer on his terms. Either way their offices will often display a tattered old sign: _Cash Talks and BS Walks_.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Two examples: Auto purchase where there was an issue with the banking partner of the vehicle manufacturer. Another is a real estate transaction. Bailing friends out of jail is always cheap (~$500), but not everyone takes credit cards (no chance for the first two scenarios). Fundamentally, I should not have to explain why I would desire immediate access to my own cash reserves at a moment's notice to excuse broken financial infrastructure.

cstoner 7y ago
Your examples seem like cases that can easily be handled by a checking account. > Fundamentally, I should not have to explain why I would desire immediate access to my own cash reserves at a moment's notice to excuse broken financial infrastructure. Yes, if you are investing in less-liquid assets to get a better RoI then you absolutely do. If you don't like the terms then you are free to keep your cash in your checking account.
- tlb 7y ago
  Most people are reluctant to accept large personal checks for one-shot transactions. Most people selling cars on Craigslist won't just take a personal check, for instance. It depends a bit on how reputable you look. You can't write one as bail, or to get your car out of the impound lot.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Most people are reluctant to accept large certified checks or money orders, going back to at least the 90s, because of counterfeits.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Personal and certified checks aren’t immediate or same day settlement, only wires or Zelle transfers are (Zelle transfers can take more than a day depending on the sending and receiving bank). If the settlement isn’t rapid, you can’t guarantee the funds will actually settle (checks). Lots of situations where someone wants the same guarantee as cash or a wire.
- IggleSniggle 7y ago
  Just bought a brand new car this week from a dealership (US) and the seller refused to accept a check.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    They’ll generally accept a cashier’s check. Ours would also accept a personal one as long as you didn’t mind them delaying mailing the title for a few weeks.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      I made a down payment on a car with a money order and the dealer yelled at me that the agreement said they weren't allowed. Eventually they relented, because they wanted to complete the deal. Back in the 90s, I tried to pay for a computer with a certified check and CompUSA treated it as a likely counterfeit.
  - kube-system 7y ago
    That’s crazy. I’ve never had that problem, even when buying cars out of state. Were you paying the full amount by check or something?
    - IggleSniggle 7y ago
      Yes, was attempting to pay full amount. Couldn't remember my PIN to unfreeze my credit, and just seemed like it would be easier since I was in a position to pay in full.
      - kube-system 7y ago
        That makes somewhat more sense. Trading a signed title without a lien for a check places a lot of risk on the dealer. Although there are ways to mitigate this, maybe the dealer in your case didn’t feel like bothering or it didn’t occur to them.
mindslight 7y ago
I don't think the question is so much asking "why", but rather "what" does "access to my own ... reserves at a moment's notice" even mean in a debt-based financial system? Writing a check is instantaneous, but you obviously don't mean that. If you're talking about wires and the like, then what you're really paying for is the sending institution taking on liability if there turns out to be a cascading problem.
rjsw 7y ago
People buy cars in Europe using debit cards, at least in the UK.
- kube-system 7y ago
  I’ve bought one with a credit card in the US.

fuzzfactor 7y ago

I wouldn't expect Shelby, Mercedes, and their sisters to be held for cash every day myself, but if you really want to bring them home one of the most worthwhile options is cashthedayofthesaleasiswhereisnowarrantiesofany kind. http://www.classic-carauction.com/featured-cars?auctionid=10742 http://www.classic-carauction.com/featured-cars?auctionid=10...

cstoner 7y ago
If you're buying a classic car with funds directly from your emergency fund, then more power to you I guess but maybe you should be less impulsive with money set aside for emergencies. Personally, if I'm expecting to make a large cash purchase I have more than a few days notice.
- brycesbeard 7y ago
  Many people plan poorly and have to sell collectibles quickly for immediate cash. I know people who buy and sell cars purchased from folks who need money quickly (matter of hours) and will get crazy deals simply because they have cash on hand on eg a Sunday evening.
  - fuzzfactor 7y ago
    That particular auction is coming up in a few days. Much more within reach to bid on a regular used car at the common auctions that regular used car dealers buy from. Or you could purchase more leisurely from the dealer on his terms. Either way their offices will often display a tattered old sign: _Cash Talks and BS Walks_.