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Hudson CI developers vote against Oracle control, "Hudson" name...

58 points by rst 16y ago

rst 16y ago
To supply a little context: Oracle was attempting to leverage their (claimed) ownership of the trademark on the name of the Hudson Continuous Integration system to take full control of the project (otherwise open source). Most notably, they tried to block a move of the central source repository to github. The response was a proposal to change the name. This was put to a vote among the dev community, who voted in favor, 214 to 14. The Oracle member of the interim project governing board was invited to continue past the name change, but has apparently declined. Not a great day for anyone, I guess, but Oracle really doesn't come out of this looking good...
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  Oracle really hasn't done a very good job of managing open source communities and contributors. It makes one wonder if distancing their properties from open source is intentional. I can't imagine they've been honestly trying to make things work, given their heavy-handed approach.
  - SpiralLab 16y ago
    Either it's: intentional, or they just don't give a damn. Considering the sources of most of their revenues, I'd say #2 is most likely. Companies that have been in Enterprise that long, making hand-over-fist money from mediocre products, acquired IP, and vendor lock-in often have a "quaint rag-tag" view of the FOSS development community. I tend to think it's a myopic viewpoint, but then again we are a tiny indie shop, and they are multi-billion dollar company.
    - X-Istence 16y ago
      If they don't give a damn, why were they fighting to keep it on their infrastructure? If they had succeeded what would they have gained? If they hadn't given a damn then they would have let Hudson choose where to host their software and mailing lists and all that fun jazz. If it was intentional they could have foregone getting a trademark on the name Hudson, and they could have just asked the Hudson development team to move off their infrastructure. Oracle's actions in this case seem to be completely random. It is almost as if there was no direction or thought behind what they did. There seems to be no pattern or reasoning about what Oracle is thinking or attempting to do...
      - j_baker 16y ago
        It's a classic case of not invented here syndrome mixed with incompetence when it comes to open source software. They wanted it on their servers because they were their servers. No more, no less.
      - regularfry 16y ago
        The pattern is very simple. Control leads to power which leads to coerced profits. The tighter the control, the greater the power, and the greater the profits. That's their formula, and it seems like the only one they know.
  - ericmsimons 16y ago
    Larry Ellison makes money from his software. No exceptions. They are pissing on the open source community on purpose, make no mistake.
justlearning 16y ago
It seems a bit confusing from the title vs the post: 214 in favor of Jenkins is what the original post says. Also mentioned is "Jenkins is not Oracle's project, nor CloudBee's project, nor my project, nor Kohsuke's project - it's the community's project, and it's going to thrive." <quote> "The vote is closed, and the results are in. More than half of the total votes were from ineligible voters, but the result would have been the same either way. The final result of all eligible votes is as follows: 214 votes to rename, and 14 for the status quo. You can see the individual votes at https://groups.google.com/group/hudson-jenkins-vote https://groups.google.com/group/hudson-jenkins-vote. So what does this mean now? Well, it means Jenkins lives. We've registered jenkins-ci.org, though it's empty at the moment. In the coming days, we will be renaming the existing Google Groups to jenkins-@googlegroups.com, renaming the Twitter account from @hudsonci to @jenkinsci, and renaming our organization at Github from hudson to jenkinsci. I wanted to make sure everyone had notice ahead of time that this was happening, so that no one gets surprised by changes to their incoming mail, etc. As said before, the initial, interim governance board will consist of me, Kohsuke and, if he and Oracle are willing, Winston. If Winston is unwilling or unable to continue in that role with Jenkins, we will select a replacement interim member. The interim board will work on the details of a more permanent governance process going forward. Discussions on the infrastructure changes (including things like the Maven groupId/artifactIds, etc) will be in public, on these lists. We're working to get the JIRA and wiki contents migrated over to the Jenkins site, and hope to work with Oracle to get that done in the next couple days. Putting aside logistics, I want to personally thank everyone for voting, and especially thank everyone who voted for renaming for supporting the Jenkins project and its future. Jenkins is not Oracle's project, nor CloudBee's project, nor my project, nor Kohsuke's project - it's the community's project, and it's going to thrive. " *</quote> I fail to understand why would someone change names for an established 'brand'. (there are deserving candidates that do need a name change - Go, Closure and few hu la la from Google)
- steveklabnik 16y ago
  Oracle owns the trademark name 'Hudson' and so they'd be able to exert a degree of control over the community that they weren't okay with. This vote is the result of a proposal to rename to 'Jenkins,' so they could get out from under the thumb of Oracle.
j_baker 16y ago
It's interesting that they're still willing to give Oracle a place on the board. I have a suspicion that Oracle will decline though.
ericmsimons 16y ago
Proposal for the new name: combine "Hudson" and "Larry"
- iwwr 16y ago
  Hurry?
  - abraham 16y ago
    Lardson?
    - ericmsimons 16y ago
      +1
  - ericmsimons 16y ago
    I was thinking "Harry". Or "Hairy Larry". See how Ellison feels about that!
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58 points by rst 16y ago

rst 16y ago

To supply a little context: Oracle was attempting to leverage their (claimed) ownership of the trademark on the name of the Hudson Continuous Integration system to take full control of the project (otherwise open source). Most notably, they tried to block a move of the central source repository to github. The response was a proposal to change the name. This was put to a vote among the dev community, who voted in favor, 214 to 14. The Oracle member of the interim project governing board was invited to continue past the name change, but has apparently declined. Not a great day for anyone, I guess, but Oracle really doesn't come out of this looking good...

redthrowaway 16y ago
Oracle really hasn't done a very good job of managing open source communities and contributors. It makes one wonder if distancing their properties from open source is intentional. I can't imagine they've been honestly trying to make things work, given their heavy-handed approach.
- SpiralLab 16y ago
  Either it's: intentional, or they just don't give a damn. Considering the sources of most of their revenues, I'd say #2 is most likely. Companies that have been in Enterprise that long, making hand-over-fist money from mediocre products, acquired IP, and vendor lock-in often have a "quaint rag-tag" view of the FOSS development community. I tend to think it's a myopic viewpoint, but then again we are a tiny indie shop, and they are multi-billion dollar company.
  - X-Istence 16y ago
    If they don't give a damn, why were they fighting to keep it on their infrastructure? If they had succeeded what would they have gained? If they hadn't given a damn then they would have let Hudson choose where to host their software and mailing lists and all that fun jazz. If it was intentional they could have foregone getting a trademark on the name Hudson, and they could have just asked the Hudson development team to move off their infrastructure. Oracle's actions in this case seem to be completely random. It is almost as if there was no direction or thought behind what they did. There seems to be no pattern or reasoning about what Oracle is thinking or attempting to do...
    - j_baker 16y ago
      It's a classic case of not invented here syndrome mixed with incompetence when it comes to open source software. They wanted it on their servers because they were their servers. No more, no less.
    - regularfry 16y ago
      The pattern is very simple. Control leads to power which leads to coerced profits. The tighter the control, the greater the power, and the greater the profits. That's their formula, and it seems like the only one they know.
- ericmsimons 16y ago
  Larry Ellison makes money from his software. No exceptions. They are pissing on the open source community on purpose, make no mistake.

justlearning 16y ago

It seems a bit confusing from the title vs the post: 214 in favor of Jenkins is what the original post says. Also mentioned is "Jenkins is not Oracle's project, nor CloudBee's project, nor my project, nor Kohsuke's project - it's the community's project, and it's going to thrive." <quote> "The vote is closed, and the results are in. More than half of the total votes were from ineligible voters, but the result would have been the same either way. The final result of all eligible votes is as follows: 214 votes to rename, and 14 for the status quo. You can see the individual votes at https://groups.google.com/group/hudson-jenkins-vote https://groups.google.com/group/hudson-jenkins-vote. So what does this mean now? Well, it means Jenkins lives. We've registered jenkins-ci.org, though it's empty at the moment. In the coming days, we will be renaming the existing Google Groups to jenkins-@googlegroups.com, renaming the Twitter account from @hudsonci to @jenkinsci, and renaming our organization at Github from hudson to jenkinsci. I wanted to make sure everyone had notice ahead of time that this was happening, so that no one gets surprised by changes to their incoming mail, etc. As said before, the initial, interim governance board will consist of me, Kohsuke and, if he and Oracle are willing, Winston. If Winston is unwilling or unable to continue in that role with Jenkins, we will select a replacement interim member. The interim board will work on the details of a more permanent governance process going forward. Discussions on the infrastructure changes (including things like the Maven groupId/artifactIds, etc) will be in public, on these lists. We're working to get the JIRA and wiki contents migrated over to the Jenkins site, and hope to work with Oracle to get that done in the next couple days. Putting aside logistics, I want to personally thank everyone for voting, and especially thank everyone who voted for renaming for supporting the Jenkins project and its future. Jenkins is not Oracle's project, nor CloudBee's project, nor my project, nor Kohsuke's project - it's the community's project, and it's going to thrive. " *</quote> I fail to understand why would someone change names for an established 'brand'. (there are deserving candidates that do need a name change - Go, Closure and few hu la la from Google)

steveklabnik 16y ago
Oracle owns the trademark name 'Hudson' and so they'd be able to exert a degree of control over the community that they weren't okay with. This vote is the result of a proposal to rename to 'Jenkins,' so they could get out from under the thumb of Oracle.

j_baker 16y ago

It's interesting that they're still willing to give Oracle a place on the board. I have a suspicion that Oracle will decline though.

ericmsimons 16y ago

Proposal for the new name: combine "Hudson" and "Larry"

iwwr 16y ago
Hurry?
- abraham 16y ago
  Lardson?
  - ericmsimons 16y ago
    +1
- ericmsimons 16y ago
  I was thinking "Harry". Or "Hairy Larry". See how Ellison feels about that!

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