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In some industries, that's not even medium-term.

by cafebabbe 7y ago

zeusk 7y ago
what industries would these be?
- metiscus 7y ago
  Manufacturing and scientific equipment like NMRs are two that come to mind.
  - fuzzfactor 7y ago
    Companies other than Intel are continuing to pursue irrelevance for industrial or high-stakes operations themselves. Sometimes you've got to have a Bozo when a competitor or associated business has one or more Bozos in a decision-making position. Just to be seen as competitive or up-to-date. Apple and especially Microsoft made more money from anti-recycling after they pushed it into a position where the original superior engineering was not as lucratrive for the shareholders. Users should be grateful since they were not squeezed more thoroughly even sooner. The anti-user effect is just collateral damage.
- moftz 7y ago
  In aerospace, a 20 year support license is common for development software.
- simias 7y ago
  Most of them in my experience. Many industrial machines have lifespans well beyond 15years. Big companies buy the state of the art and when they decide to replace the old machines they resell them to smaller companies who can't afford to buy the newest model. I know many people on HN work in web technologies where last year's technology is already obsolete but I've worked in small hardware companies that still used industrial equipment controlled using a serial keyboard with a DIN connector and a monochrome CRT. I've seen people order parts for 20+yo industrial soldering ovens. You can't really tell somebody with a highly expensive, perfectly functioning industrial machine that they have to buy a new one because you can't find the driver for the motherboard of the controller.
  - thisisnico 7y ago
    I work in Manufacturing IT, I can confirm that there is considerable legacy equipment. Thing is, these machines typically cost more than a house, some as much as $2.5M+ dollars. Would you demo your house and rebuild in 20 years because of a leaky roof? These machines are mortgaged the same way, the bank secures the asset. They will work for 20+ years if you maintain them, and continue to produce.
  - MS90 7y ago
    Case in point: McLaren uses a special Compaq laptop from 1992 to service old F1's. Why? Well, the car was made in 1992, and so was the ECU. https://jalopnik.com/this-ancient-laptop-is-the-only-key-to-the-most-valuabl-1773662267 https://jalopnik.com/this-ancient-laptop-is-the-only-key-to-...
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      Back in my IT days we used a laptop that had a windows NT 4.0 sticker on it (running windows 2k) to run the ID printer that printed company IDs. These kinds of setups aren't that uncommon. At small scale it's easier and cheaper to keep old stuff running than to migrate.
      - nordsieck 7y ago
        > At small scale it's easier and cheaper to keep old stuff running than to migrate. Especially if the machine can be isolated from the internet (like a printer controller).
  - C1sc0cat 7y ago
    Exactly when I went to college (Mechanical Engineering) some of the machine tools we had in the labs where WW2 vintage
- ken 7y ago
  I recently called tech support for a lighting console from the mid-1990's. They were perfectly willing to have me bring it in for service. Just peek into the electrical closet in any building you're in. They don't tear out all the electrics and reinstall the latest version every 15 years.
- eyegor 7y ago
  Basically all scientific research labs use some equipment running windows xp or older because the drivers can't be installed on modern windows for one reason or another. Controllers for things like spectroscopy, electron beam microscopes, centrifuges, etc. Custom control boards are also common in industrial (oil, gas, chemical processing) applications.
  - Whirl 7y ago
    I once spent an internship running a fluorescent dye laser operated by an computer running DOS (maybe MS DOS?). It was terrifying, but the beast worked perfectly well. And my PhD lab was using mass-spectrometers that still required vacuum tubes.
- PeterStuer 7y ago
  I know a financial institution where some backup jobs are controlled by a 2 decade old NT4 machine.
- sllabres 7y ago
  SQLite: 2050 https://www.sqlite.org/lts.html https://www.sqlite.org/lts.html
  - HarryHirsch 7y ago
    SHELX: 1970 to today - see http://journals.iucr.org/a/issues/2008/01/00/sc5010/ http://journals.iucr.org/a/issues/2008/01/00/sc5010/

In some industries, that's not even medium-term.

zeusk 7y ago

what industries would these be?

metiscus 7y ago
Manufacturing and scientific equipment like NMRs are two that come to mind.
- fuzzfactor 7y ago
  Companies other than Intel are continuing to pursue irrelevance for industrial or high-stakes operations themselves. Sometimes you've got to have a Bozo when a competitor or associated business has one or more Bozos in a decision-making position. Just to be seen as competitive or up-to-date. Apple and especially Microsoft made more money from anti-recycling after they pushed it into a position where the original superior engineering was not as lucratrive for the shareholders. Users should be grateful since they were not squeezed more thoroughly even sooner. The anti-user effect is just collateral damage.
moftz 7y ago
In aerospace, a 20 year support license is common for development software.
simias 7y ago
Most of them in my experience. Many industrial machines have lifespans well beyond 15years. Big companies buy the state of the art and when they decide to replace the old machines they resell them to smaller companies who can't afford to buy the newest model. I know many people on HN work in web technologies where last year's technology is already obsolete but I've worked in small hardware companies that still used industrial equipment controlled using a serial keyboard with a DIN connector and a monochrome CRT. I've seen people order parts for 20+yo industrial soldering ovens. You can't really tell somebody with a highly expensive, perfectly functioning industrial machine that they have to buy a new one because you can't find the driver for the motherboard of the controller.
- thisisnico 7y ago
  I work in Manufacturing IT, I can confirm that there is considerable legacy equipment. Thing is, these machines typically cost more than a house, some as much as $2.5M+ dollars. Would you demo your house and rebuild in 20 years because of a leaky roof? These machines are mortgaged the same way, the bank secures the asset. They will work for 20+ years if you maintain them, and continue to produce.
- MS90 7y ago
  Case in point: McLaren uses a special Compaq laptop from 1992 to service old F1's. Why? Well, the car was made in 1992, and so was the ECU. https://jalopnik.com/this-ancient-laptop-is-the-only-key-to-the-most-valuabl-1773662267 https://jalopnik.com/this-ancient-laptop-is-the-only-key-to-...
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    Back in my IT days we used a laptop that had a windows NT 4.0 sticker on it (running windows 2k) to run the ID printer that printed company IDs. These kinds of setups aren't that uncommon. At small scale it's easier and cheaper to keep old stuff running than to migrate.
    - nordsieck 7y ago
      > At small scale it's easier and cheaper to keep old stuff running than to migrate. Especially if the machine can be isolated from the internet (like a printer controller).
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  Exactly when I went to college (Mechanical Engineering) some of the machine tools we had in the labs where WW2 vintage
ken 7y ago
I recently called tech support for a lighting console from the mid-1990's. They were perfectly willing to have me bring it in for service. Just peek into the electrical closet in any building you're in. They don't tear out all the electrics and reinstall the latest version every 15 years.
eyegor 7y ago
Basically all scientific research labs use some equipment running windows xp or older because the drivers can't be installed on modern windows for one reason or another. Controllers for things like spectroscopy, electron beam microscopes, centrifuges, etc. Custom control boards are also common in industrial (oil, gas, chemical processing) applications.
- Whirl 7y ago
  I once spent an internship running a fluorescent dye laser operated by an computer running DOS (maybe MS DOS?). It was terrifying, but the beast worked perfectly well. And my PhD lab was using mass-spectrometers that still required vacuum tubes.
PeterStuer 7y ago
I know a financial institution where some backup jobs are controlled by a 2 decade old NT4 machine.
sllabres 7y ago
SQLite: 2050 https://www.sqlite.org/lts.html https://www.sqlite.org/lts.html
- HarryHirsch 7y ago
  SHELX: 1970 to today - see http://journals.iucr.org/a/issues/2008/01/00/sc5010/ http://journals.iucr.org/a/issues/2008/01/00/sc5010/