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The US certainly pays out fewer of the sort of benefits we would call "welfare" (unemployment, food stamps, EITCs, etc.) than most nations in the Western world.

The US certainly pays out fewer of the sort of benefits we would call "welfare" (unemployment, food stamps, EITCs, etc.) than most nations in the Western world. Our pension systems are as generous as anyone's though, particularly Medicare. That is the real source of the trouble.

anorwell 16y ago
Medicare is for health coverage, and most countries give this to everyone, all the time, for nominal cost. Unless I'm missing something here. Although, US public per capita health expenditure is about equal to other countries. It just happens that they get far far less for what they pay. [1] [1] http://www.oecd.org/document/39/0,3746,en_2649_34111_36157799_1_1_1_1,00.html http://www.oecd.org/document/39/0,3746,en_2649_34111_3615779... - see health chart
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  - anorwell 16y ago
    I don't believe that, and I didn't say that.
- rskar 16y ago
  "It just happens that they get far far less for what they pay." The health chart is titled "Public and private health spending as percentage of GDP in selected countries, 2002." This relates the spending to GDP, not as a per capita rate. The reference does not support your statement about others ("they get far far less for what they pay"). See: http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php, "The Cost of a Long Life." Quote from that: "In 2000, the United States spent more on health care than any other country in the world: an average of $ 4,500 per person. Switzerland was second highest, at $3,300 or 71% of the US. Nevertheless, average US life expectancy ranks 27th in the world, at 77 years. Many countries achieve higher life expectancy rates with significantly lower spending." See also: http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf. Be sure to read section "Health status and risk factors" - it is an eye opener. Quote from that: "The United States spent 7,538 USD on health per capita in 2008, two-and-a-half times greater than the OECD average of 3,060 USD (adjusted for purchasing power parity). Norway spent 5,000 USD per capita, and Switzerland 4,627 USD per capita. Americans spent more than twice as much as relatively rich European countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom. "

anorwell 16y ago

Medicare is for health coverage, and most countries give this to everyone, all the time, for nominal cost. Unless I'm missing something here. Although, US public per capita health expenditure is about equal to other countries. It just happens that they get far far less for what they pay. [1] [1] http://www.oecd.org/document/39/0,3746,en_2649_34111_36157799_1_1_1_1,00.html http://www.oecd.org/document/39/0,3746,en_2649_34111_3615779... - see health chart

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- anorwell 16y ago
  I don't believe that, and I didn't say that.
rskar 16y ago
"It just happens that they get far far less for what they pay." The health chart is titled "Public and private health spending as percentage of GDP in selected countries, 2002." This relates the spending to GDP, not as a per capita rate. The reference does not support your statement about others ("they get far far less for what they pay"). See: http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php, "The Cost of a Long Life." Quote from that: "In 2000, the United States spent more on health care than any other country in the world: an average of $ 4,500 per person. Switzerland was second highest, at $3,300 or 71% of the US. Nevertheless, average US life expectancy ranks 27th in the world, at 77 years. Many countries achieve higher life expectancy rates with significantly lower spending." See also: http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf. Be sure to read section "Health status and risk factors" - it is an eye opener. Quote from that: "The United States spent 7,538 USD on health per capita in 2008, two-and-a-half times greater than the OECD average of 3,060 USD (adjusted for purchasing power parity). Norway spent 5,000 USD per capita, and Switzerland 4,627 USD per capita. Americans spent more than twice as much as relatively rich European countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom. "