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Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims
- deogeo 7y agoIt's quite shocking how blatantly China discriminates against everyone but Han-Chinese, yet doesn't even get a mention on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics)
- DarthGhandi 7y agoWondering if some people think it it’s worse being not so blatant yet just as prevalent? Is one worse than the other despite the equivalence?
- DarthGhandi 7y agowhich country has more prisoners? just asking hey?
- DarthGhandi 7y agoI think it is a America by far, by 10x really now that I think about it.
- dredmorbius 7y agoIt is the US, by both absolute count (2.1 millions) and rate (665/100,000), though not by an order of magnitude. China follows by total prisoners (1.2 millions). El Salvador by incarceration rate (604). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...
- kuroguro 7y agoOpened the link sure this was going to be about eve somehow ^^;
- krak12 7y agoBusiness as usual with China, how long to get this comment downvoted by chinese on hn
- aaron695 7y ago> Leaked CCP files reveal crimes against humanity (reddit.com) Given a link to a Reddit article that merely links a www.nytimes.com I expect a flag asap. Which is exactly what I assume the OP troll/Propagandaest wanted, else they would have linked the original article with the proper title.
- bradknowles 7y agoSo, who is brave enough — or powerful enough — to actually try to really do anything about this problem? China is the ultimate “too big to fail” problem, right?
- vanniv 7y agoThe answer so far seems to be "nobody"
- thedudeabides5 7y agoThere's a bunch of brave students in HK that might vehemently disagree with you there.
- DarthGhandi 7y agoWelcome to 1975 mate. It must be tough fighting upon equal ground hey? As much as I'll stand right by you to the end, do have a laugh about it
- aliswe 7y agoFor the record I recall Turkey being very vocal about it.
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- dredmorbius 7y agoThe mice are in council. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat
- frequentnapper 7y agoMaybe these recent developments in the Chinese culture and psyche can be described as Han superiority complex much like Nazism. Victim mentality, belief in one's racial superiority, and willingness to do away with any ethnicities and cultures unlike your own. Maybe we need a term for this so we can identify and talk about it. Hanzism?
- kpU8efre7r 7y agoFits the bill. Brilliant. Hanzism
- thrwy_01 7y agoThis is exactly my experience. The beliefs and utterances of many Chinese wouldn't be out of place in 1930s Germany, replacing the appropriate nouns. The scary thing is this has been going on for decades, just not visible to most outsiders.
- valley-green 7y agoPlease don’t make up stupid words
- throw_this_one 7y agoJust anecdotally, every Chinese from China I've ever met has an obsession with how great China is. They always refer to ancient history. I'm pretty sure the communist party is coopting their history and cultural to create some sort of civilizational euphoria for the people, to achieve their goals. It really can't end well. It's funny because Americans will say America is the best country on earth, but they don't actually 100% mean it, like they know other places aren't bad too.
- thrwy_01 7y agoChinese nationalism is trying to follow in the footsteps of Japanese nationalism of the early 20th century. We all know how that played out.
- aesterits 7y agoFascinating article. I didn’t realize this all started because of terrorist attacks, > In 2014, little more than a year after becoming president, he spent four days in the region, and on the last day of the trip, two Uighur militants staged a suicide bombing outside a train station in Urumqi that injured nearly 80 people, one fatally. > Weeks earlier, militants with knives had gone on a rampage at another railway station, in southwest China, killing 31 people and injuring more than 140. And less than a month after Mr. Xi’s visit, assailants tossed explosives into a vegetable market in Urumqi, wounding 94 people and killing at least 39. > Against this backdrop of bloodshed, Mr. Xi delivered a series of secret speeches setting the hard-line course that culminated in the security offensive now underway in Xinjiang. While state media have alluded to these speeches, none were made public. Xi’s speech was enlightening too, > In several surprising passages, given the crackdown that followed, Mr. Xi also told officials to not discriminate against Uighurs and to respect their right to worship. He warned against overreacting to natural friction between Uighurs and Han Chinese, the nation’s dominant ethnic group, and rejected proposals to try to eliminate Islam entirely in China. > “In light of separatist and terrorist forces under the banner of Islam, some people have argued that Islam should be restricted or even eradicated,” he said during the Beijing conference. He called that view “biased, even wrong.” “We say that development is the top priority and the basis for achieving lasting security, and that’s right,” Mr. Xi said. “But it would be wrong to believe that with development every problem solves itself.” > “In recent years, Xinjiang has grown very quickly and the standard of living has consistently risen, but even so ethnic separatism and terrorist violence have still been on the rise,” he said. “This goes to show that economic development does not automatically bring lasting order and security.” The NYT did a great job reporting the situation.
- aliswe 7y ago> I didn’t realize this all started because of terrorist attacks As did the Rohingya tragedy
- dragonwriter 7y agoIt always “starts with” terrorist atrack, because those are such a powerful excuse for any kind of violent excess that if you want to do something otherwise indefensible and don't have those handy as an excuse, you first generate some for the excuse; see, e.g., Operation Northwoods. And if you do have them, but they don't implicate the right targets, you engage in a propaganda campaign of conflation and false association—extra points if it can leverage common racial, ethnic, and/or broad religious identities—until they do, see, e.g., the US efforts re: 9/11 in the runup to the war with Iraq.
- abbracadabbra 7y agoThe documents released here describe high level directives from Xi Jingping, and some quotes on how family members should be told of detained relatives. Presumably there must be many other documents detailing design and construction of the large scale facilities that would be needed for the number people being detained; these might shed more light on the actual scale of what is happening. The documents so far could be describing programs that target 100’s of people, not the millions claimed elsewhere.
- wbraun 7y agoI don't understand why the BDS movement against Israel gets so much attention when stuff like this, or worse, regularly occurs in China. I have been making an effort to reduce what I buy from China recently, which is difficult in electrical engineering. I hope others consider the same. We need a BDS (Mainland) China movement.
- CharlesColeman 7y ago> I don't understand why the BDS movement against Israel gets so much attention when stuff like this, or worse, regularly occurs in China. The reason could be echoes of old Soviet influence campaigns directed against Israel [1] [2]. Once you get an idea lodged in the public mind, it takes on a life of its own (kinda like the trope of the AI weapon that fights on even after its makers are dead). [1] https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/285781/soviet-anti-semitic-cartoons https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/285781/sov... [2] This is a good presentation of Soviet disinformation tactics and strategy: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/opinion/russia-meddling-disinformation-fake-news-elections.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/opinion/russia-meddling-d... (youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo)