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Alternative Headline: "News Corp Interferes with Its Journalists and Changes Your Context"

by hownottowrite 7y ago

zepto 7y ago
Are you saying we should expect Google results to be as biased as news outlets?
- hownottowrite 7y ago
  No, I’m saying the WSJ is trash. I couldn’t care less about Google’s choices. They’re a private company not a public utility. In any case, the algorithms Google uses have always been biased. That’s the whole point of returning anything resembling “relevant” search results.
  - zepto 7y ago
    You are right - the algorithms have always been biased. The issue is that Google has maintained that they aren’t. Unlike the WSJ, which doesn’t claim to be unbiased.
    - hownottowrite 7y ago
      No, that is your issue. Like I said, I couldn't care less. If Google once said, "PageRank is a combination of butterfly migration patterns and random chicken bones scattered on the floor..." I wouldn't care. If Matt Cutts laughed manically after each interview while nodding in a knowing way at the camera, I wouldn't care. If Larry and Sergey personally dug a hole to the center of the Earth to power their personal space stations using microwave transmitters fueled by geothermal energy, I wouldn't care. I also don't care what the WSJ says about itself either. It also happens to be a private company and it can do whatever it wants. If they want to claim to be a source of "trusted news" (and they do), that is their business. I don't care. I just happen to think that they are trash. My opinion has nothing to do with Google or their butterflies and like all opinions (including yours and everyone else's) it is essentially worthless. But do go on if you want... I don't care.
      - zepto 7y ago
        You don’t have to care, and it’s not my issue. It is the reason articles like this are relevant at all. If it was generally accepted that Google is just another biased actor, there wouldn’t be any news to this. I‘m just pointing out that your comments are irrelevant to the general complaint here. It’s seems to be a curious behavior of your that you write elaborate comments about things you don’t care about.
        hownottowrite 7y ago
        Don't be disingenuous; it's absolutely your issue. You're running up and down this thread and hopping onto other posts about the same topic. I don't care if it's your personal crusade, but you should at least own it and enjoy it. As for my "curious behavior," let me remind you that you're the one who stuck your nose in. I made a joke and you decided to try and be a bully. I don't like bullies but I do take great pleasure in leading them down very long, nonsensical pathways for no other reason than to waste their time. It's a time-honored tradition that can be traced back centuries if not millennia. You'll find it in many great works of literature as well as those of the lesser know poets. Lewis Carroll was particular well-known in this regard and one could certainly do worse than to emulate his example. Mind you, I'm certainly not claiming to be any of these things myself. No, I'm just an average traveller but I do like shape of the joke. It never ceases to amuse me when deployed as the bully in question (that would be you) never seems to catch on even when the game is laid out in front of them. For what it's worth, it is 100% relevant to comment on a source regardless of the topic. This is especially true of the WSJ, which is still trash. And while we're at it, this whole topic is not news anyway. People have been talking about Google's bias since the very beginning of time. I'd recommend that you go outside and have a walk or maybe a nice cup of tea.
        zepto 7y ago
        Can you explain how you are being ‘bullied’? It seem like you think of yourself as some kind of extremely clever and sophisticated victim, but it’s not clear how you have been hurt. I’m fine with criticizing the WSJ, I just don’t think we should use that to deflect criticism from Google.

Alternative Headline: "News Corp Interferes with Its Journalists and Changes Your Context"

zepto 7y ago

Are you saying we should expect Google results to be as biased as news outlets?

hownottowrite 7y ago
No, I’m saying the WSJ is trash. I couldn’t care less about Google’s choices. They’re a private company not a public utility. In any case, the algorithms Google uses have always been biased. That’s the whole point of returning anything resembling “relevant” search results.
- zepto 7y ago
  You are right - the algorithms have always been biased. The issue is that Google has maintained that they aren’t. Unlike the WSJ, which doesn’t claim to be unbiased.
  - hownottowrite 7y ago
    No, that is your issue. Like I said, I couldn't care less. If Google once said, "PageRank is a combination of butterfly migration patterns and random chicken bones scattered on the floor..." I wouldn't care. If Matt Cutts laughed manically after each interview while nodding in a knowing way at the camera, I wouldn't care. If Larry and Sergey personally dug a hole to the center of the Earth to power their personal space stations using microwave transmitters fueled by geothermal energy, I wouldn't care. I also don't care what the WSJ says about itself either. It also happens to be a private company and it can do whatever it wants. If they want to claim to be a source of "trusted news" (and they do), that is their business. I don't care. I just happen to think that they are trash. My opinion has nothing to do with Google or their butterflies and like all opinions (including yours and everyone else's) it is essentially worthless. But do go on if you want... I don't care.
    - zepto 7y ago
      You don’t have to care, and it’s not my issue. It is the reason articles like this are relevant at all. If it was generally accepted that Google is just another biased actor, there wouldn’t be any news to this. I‘m just pointing out that your comments are irrelevant to the general complaint here. It’s seems to be a curious behavior of your that you write elaborate comments about things you don’t care about.
      - hownottowrite 7y ago
        Don't be disingenuous; it's absolutely your issue. You're running up and down this thread and hopping onto other posts about the same topic. I don't care if it's your personal crusade, but you should at least own it and enjoy it. As for my "curious behavior," let me remind you that you're the one who stuck your nose in. I made a joke and you decided to try and be a bully. I don't like bullies but I do take great pleasure in leading them down very long, nonsensical pathways for no other reason than to waste their time. It's a time-honored tradition that can be traced back centuries if not millennia. You'll find it in many great works of literature as well as those of the lesser know poets. Lewis Carroll was particular well-known in this regard and one could certainly do worse than to emulate his example. Mind you, I'm certainly not claiming to be any of these things myself. No, I'm just an average traveller but I do like shape of the joke. It never ceases to amuse me when deployed as the bully in question (that would be you) never seems to catch on even when the game is laid out in front of them. For what it's worth, it is 100% relevant to comment on a source regardless of the topic. This is especially true of the WSJ, which is still trash. And while we're at it, this whole topic is not news anyway. People have been talking about Google's bias since the very beginning of time. I'd recommend that you go outside and have a walk or maybe a nice cup of tea.
        zepto 7y ago
        Can you explain how you are being ‘bullied’? It seem like you think of yourself as some kind of extremely clever and sophisticated victim, but it’s not clear how you have been hurt. I’m fine with criticizing the WSJ, I just don’t think we should use that to deflect criticism from Google.