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Technically I think you are free to build have other browser engines on iOS. However, JIT or other dynamically compiled code is not allowed because that's a sec

Technically I think you are free to build have other browser engines on iOS. However, JIT or other dynamically compiled code is not allowed because that's a security risk. You can't have a browser in 2019 with interpreted javascript.

fauigerzigerk 7y ago
But why is JavaScript JIT compilation tied to the rendering engine?
- andrewl-hn 7y ago
  Yep. technically, Apple doesn't force Firefox to use WebKit. They could still use their Gecko WebRenderer and use Apple's JavaScriptCore to run page scripts. Same goes to Chrome: Blink + JSC instead of Blink + V8. In practice in seems like both Chrome and Firefox have their renderers and JavaScript runtimes so tightly integrated that it's very hard to replace the later.
  - fauigerzigerk 7y ago
    Elsewhere in this debate sharpneli says that there is no public API to call into JavaScriptCore and using non-public APIs violates the App Store rules. So that would explain it.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      There is API to use JavaScriptCore in your apps: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/javascriptcore https://developer.apple.com/documentation/javascriptcore. No JIT, though, so it’s slow.
thekingofh 7y ago
I think you mean that you can have interpreted javascript, just not JIT compilers. They don't allow you to mark memory as executable. That syscall is completely disabled on their systems.
- vbezhenar 7y ago
  It can't be disabled because Safari and Webkit uses JIT for JavaScript. Probably it's enabled for apps signed by Apple.
  - thekingofh 7y ago
    True it is disabled if you aren't Apple.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  It is not, moprotect (and mach_vm_protect) work just fine if you have the appropriate entitlements or have a way of getting around its checks.
  - thekingofh 7y ago
    I think the entitlements are not offered to apps such as firefox and those that are not Apple correct?
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      Some of them are, but they cannot be used with apps delivered on the App Store.
MaxBarraclough 7y ago
> I think you are free to build have other browser engines on iOS I believe this is false, see 2.5.6 and 4.7 of https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ But they do allow Opera Mini, a 'browser' for iOS where rendering is done in the cloud.

fauigerzigerk 7y ago

But why is JavaScript JIT compilation tied to the rendering engine?

andrewl-hn 7y ago
Yep. technically, Apple doesn't force Firefox to use WebKit. They could still use their Gecko WebRenderer and use Apple's JavaScriptCore to run page scripts. Same goes to Chrome: Blink + JSC instead of Blink + V8. In practice in seems like both Chrome and Firefox have their renderers and JavaScript runtimes so tightly integrated that it's very hard to replace the later.
- fauigerzigerk 7y ago
  Elsewhere in this debate sharpneli says that there is no public API to call into JavaScriptCore and using non-public APIs violates the App Store rules. So that would explain it.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    There is API to use JavaScriptCore in your apps: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/javascriptcore https://developer.apple.com/documentation/javascriptcore. No JIT, though, so it’s slow.

thekingofh 7y ago

I think you mean that you can have interpreted javascript, just not JIT compilers. They don't allow you to mark memory as executable. That syscall is completely disabled on their systems.

vbezhenar 7y ago
It can't be disabled because Safari and Webkit uses JIT for JavaScript. Probably it's enabled for apps signed by Apple.
- thekingofh 7y ago
  True it is disabled if you aren't Apple.
saagarjha 7y ago
It is not, moprotect (and mach_vm_protect) work just fine if you have the appropriate entitlements or have a way of getting around its checks.
- thekingofh 7y ago
  I think the entitlements are not offered to apps such as firefox and those that are not Apple correct?
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Some of them are, but they cannot be used with apps delivered on the App Store.

MaxBarraclough 7y ago

> I think you are free to build have other browser engines on iOS I believe this is false, see 2.5.6 and 4.7 of https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ But they do allow Opera Mini, a 'browser' for iOS where rendering is done in the cloud.