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> Wifi firmwares are non-free and are not included in the official iso for a reason. And the result is that 99.99% of people can't get 99.99% freedom because o
by ebg13 7y ago
> Wifi firmwares are non-free and are not included in the official iso for a reason.
And the result is that 99.99% of people can't get 99.99% freedom because of 0.01% of people doubling down on the 0.01% of freedom. I love Debian, but I consider that gatekeeping a great crime against regular people who could be empowered and informed from minimal freedom to nearly total freedom instead of kept out by arcanity and hardlining.
That's why I like the link I posted. Because it says "this will actually work on your computer" AND also informs you about user freedom and the harm of proprietary device drivers.
> Please, don't exaggerate.
Let's perform an exercise, shall we? Starting from www.debian.org, reading from top left to bottom right as the English language is read, how many words must you pass over, how many links must you pass over, which links do you have to click, and how do you know to click those links and not the other ones in order to find an iso that installs on a market standard laptop over WiFi? The decision tree is much deeper than you acknowledge.
- tuldia 7y ago> Starting from www.debian.org, reading from top left to bottom right as the English language is read... I guess you should start with the first link, the one that says "About Debian". There you can know what Debian is about and align your expectations. If you think it works for you, then go back to www.debian.org and do a ctrl+f and type "download", there is a big button in the top right corner. It is probably what you need (amd64, netinstall).
- ebg13 7y agoAll I hear you saying is that you think regular people with regular lives and regular products and regular concerns don't deserve to get almost total freedom from Debian because of that missing last little bit, and, too bad so sad, they should just go somewhere else. I disagree with that stance.
- joana035 7y agoShe didn't said that and you are being too dramatic. Certainly if you install Debian for a regular user, install the wifi firmware (available in non-free repo), everything will work and they will enjoy.
- ink_13 7y agoIt's not what most people probably need, though. A standard market laptop requires non-free firmware for the wifi to function and thus let the netinstaller proceed.