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Possibly a sign of different upbringings? Can be parental, culture, education, standard of living, etc.

by Joakal 16y ago

narag 16y ago
It seems to me that the case is exactly the opposite: the talent appears randomly, so the only way to concentrate it is migration.
- beagle3 16y ago
  > the talent appears randomly That's a pretty strong statement, but even if we take it as an axiom, I think that it isn't migration that concentrates it -- people migrate from everywhere to everywhere all the time. I think it has more to do with having gone through some hardship, and (selection bias) having done so successfully, makes people better at taking risks. There's a statistic that says that a huge number (ten percent or so) of immigrants immigrate again to a 3rd country. Someone who never immigrated would think "all that trouble, again?". Someone who [successfully] has thinks "Well, that wasn't so hard, we can try that again".
  - ssebro 16y ago
    I think you missed the point- he meant that the fact that you were able to immigrate probably means that you're not the average person. He's right- immigration is much easier if you're rich, smart or both. Also, I'm offended by your last sentence. You've obviously not immigrated to america recently. I have, and it wasn't easy, nor was it cheap.
    - beagle3 16y ago
      As a matter of fact, I did. It's not easy, it's far from cheap, but having gone through all of that, another move -- at least to an English speaking country -- is comparatively trivial to what I've thought about it before. And if you take offence at random remarks by strangers on the internet, you should have a long talk with yourself.
  - narag 16y ago
    I meant that it appears to be random (or even anti-intuitively correlated) if you look at one factor only: I believe you need both genetics and environment. The anti-intuitive thing is what others have said: migrants are bolder (entrepeneurish) or they have some requested talent.
- kingsley_20 16y ago
  As an ex-immigrant (returned to India now to start something), I believe this is true. US immigration policy weeds out the chaff. The immigrant populations from countries like India tend to also be homogeneously upper class/caste.

Possibly a sign of different upbringings? Can be parental, culture, education, standard of living, etc.

by Joakal 16y ago

Possibly a sign of different upbringings? Can be parental, culture, education, standard of living, etc.

narag 16y ago

It seems to me that the case is exactly the opposite: the talent appears randomly, so the only way to concentrate it is migration.

beagle3 16y ago
> the talent appears randomly That's a pretty strong statement, but even if we take it as an axiom, I think that it isn't migration that concentrates it -- people migrate from everywhere to everywhere all the time. I think it has more to do with having gone through some hardship, and (selection bias) having done so successfully, makes people better at taking risks. There's a statistic that says that a huge number (ten percent or so) of immigrants immigrate again to a 3rd country. Someone who never immigrated would think "all that trouble, again?". Someone who [successfully] has thinks "Well, that wasn't so hard, we can try that again".
- ssebro 16y ago
  I think you missed the point- he meant that the fact that you were able to immigrate probably means that you're not the average person. He's right- immigration is much easier if you're rich, smart or both. Also, I'm offended by your last sentence. You've obviously not immigrated to america recently. I have, and it wasn't easy, nor was it cheap.
  - beagle3 16y ago
    As a matter of fact, I did. It's not easy, it's far from cheap, but having gone through all of that, another move -- at least to an English speaking country -- is comparatively trivial to what I've thought about it before. And if you take offence at random remarks by strangers on the internet, you should have a long talk with yourself.
- narag 16y ago
  I meant that it appears to be random (or even anti-intuitively correlated) if you look at one factor only: I believe you need both genetics and environment. The anti-intuitive thing is what others have said: migrants are bolder (entrepeneurish) or they have some requested talent.
kingsley_20 16y ago
As an ex-immigrant (returned to India now to start something), I believe this is true. US immigration policy weeds out the chaff. The immigrant populations from countries like India tend to also be homogeneously upper class/caste.