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Did you read in the article where Captain Sullenberger said he couldn’t do it in time in a simulator, even expecting it? Have you seen the YouTube videos? It’s

by et2o 7y ago

Did you read in the article where Captain Sullenberger said he couldn’t do it in time in a simulator, even expecting it? Have you seen the YouTube videos? It’s a disaster.

WalterBright 7y ago
> Did you read in the article where Captain Sullenberger said he couldn’t do it in time in a simulator I did read the article, and that isn't what he said. Furthermore, Captain Sullenberger is an Airbus pilot and hasn't flown 737s in a long time and is not rated on the 737NG. I don't know what runaway trim procedures are on Airbus airplanes.
- et2o 7y ago
  Alright, is it possible you’re being a bit of a keyboard warrior here.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    I'd really like to see the NTSB report on this when it is released. I've read some of them, they're far more detailed and contain a lot of pertinent facts that were omitted from the usual clickbait sensationalist journalism.
    - hef19898 7y ago
      If you did, I certainly don't see it in your arguments.
      - DuskStar 7y ago
        I think you should read his comment again, and evaluate tenses.
  - jfnixon 7y ago
    It is also possible he is being a guy who knows exactly what he is talking about and has the qualifications and experience to back it up. If an aircraft starts pitching down, and it wasn't commanded by the pilot, and resetting the trim (temporarily) fixes the problem, the issue is almost certainly with the trim. If it is MCAS and a malfunctioning sensor or a failing motor that occasionally kicks on and drives the trim to its limits, the pilot response should be the same. This is what I hear Walter saying, and it makes sense. MCAS just makes it more probable to manifest.
    - colde 7y ago
      The thing is the checklist says in a runaway stabilizer scenario, it will trim continously, but MCAS does not apply trim continously. Therefore it does not exhibit itself as a "normal" trim runaway. Checklist: https://i.imgur.com/K7El4K4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/K7El4K4.jpg Hence, they might not have thought it was a trim runaway.
      - jfnixon 7y ago
        Not every emergency manifests as a textbook case. It isn't too farfetched to imagine an intermittent short running the trim motor on an intermittent basis rather than continuously. I'd still shut off the trim motor as a possible remedy, but I'm not an airliner pilot, just a guy who flys for $100 hamburgers.
- briandear 7y ago
  Not being rated on the 737NG is significant if someone were to claim to be an expert in that same airplane.

by et2o 7y ago

Did you read in the article where Captain Sullenberger said he couldn’t do it in time in a simulator, even expecting it? Have you seen the YouTube videos? It’s a disaster.

WalterBright 7y ago

> Did you read in the article where Captain Sullenberger said he couldn’t do it in time in a simulator I did read the article, and that isn't what he said. Furthermore, Captain Sullenberger is an Airbus pilot and hasn't flown 737s in a long time and is not rated on the 737NG. I don't know what runaway trim procedures are on Airbus airplanes.

et2o 7y ago
Alright, is it possible you’re being a bit of a keyboard warrior here.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  I'd really like to see the NTSB report on this when it is released. I've read some of them, they're far more detailed and contain a lot of pertinent facts that were omitted from the usual clickbait sensationalist journalism.
  - hef19898 7y ago
    If you did, I certainly don't see it in your arguments.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      I think you should read his comment again, and evaluate tenses.
- jfnixon 7y ago
  It is also possible he is being a guy who knows exactly what he is talking about and has the qualifications and experience to back it up. If an aircraft starts pitching down, and it wasn't commanded by the pilot, and resetting the trim (temporarily) fixes the problem, the issue is almost certainly with the trim. If it is MCAS and a malfunctioning sensor or a failing motor that occasionally kicks on and drives the trim to its limits, the pilot response should be the same. This is what I hear Walter saying, and it makes sense. MCAS just makes it more probable to manifest.
  - colde 7y ago
    The thing is the checklist says in a runaway stabilizer scenario, it will trim continously, but MCAS does not apply trim continously. Therefore it does not exhibit itself as a "normal" trim runaway. Checklist: https://i.imgur.com/K7El4K4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/K7El4K4.jpg Hence, they might not have thought it was a trim runaway.
    - jfnixon 7y ago
      Not every emergency manifests as a textbook case. It isn't too farfetched to imagine an intermittent short running the trim motor on an intermittent basis rather than continuously. I'd still shut off the trim motor as a possible remedy, but I'm not an airliner pilot, just a guy who flys for $100 hamburgers.
briandear 7y ago
Not being rated on the 737NG is significant if someone were to claim to be an expert in that same airplane.