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> It is maybe the best place to work if you have no sense of ethics, want to take it easy, work 9 to 5 and maximize your money. Hey, that's me to a t. Google i

> It is maybe the best place to work if you have no sense of ethics, want to take it easy, work 9 to 5 and maximize your money. Hey, that's me to a t. Google is not actually that great for that. The pay is average and they make too much of a song and dance about helping people, even if you're working on ML used to ferret out dissidents in China. The good companies for 9 to 5 casual evil are small >50 man shops which require security clearance to work at.

somatic 7y ago
>The good companies for 9 to 5 casual evil are small >50 man shops which require security clearance to work at. Where do I sign up? (Edit: this is a serious question.) (Second edit: Mencius.)
- buzzkillington 7y ago
  You need to know a guy, I met mine when I was running a 3d printing course for an astronomy group of all things.
  - somatic 7y ago
    I'll be on the lookout, but quite frankly I despair. I've always wanted to be in a spooky line of work. Oh well.
    - smsm42 7y ago
      If I were in a spooky business, I'd never hire somebody who's too eager to work in this line of work. Too easy to hire a Snowden this way. And I have no idea how they solve this problem... must be tough to be a spook.
      - somatic 7y ago
        Valid point. To clarify, it was hyperbole, as I got (rightly or wrongly) a more "military" vibe. And in my highly uninformed opinion, I'd feel much less comfortable in close quarters with actual spook-dom than I would around high-end military establishment people. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd probably take upper six figures to warm a seat for either, though. Shake the hand of the devil, sell your soul on the dotted line.
  - somatic 7y ago
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  - somatic 7y ago
    LOL at the GPG swarm down below. I hate the Internet, I regret posting my own GPG message, and I'd delete it if I could.
mav3rick 7y ago
Pay is well above average. Regardless of what HN spews, Google foundationally made search and mobile more accessible around the world. I don't know what "great" company you work for but it's hard to top that for impact.
- techie128 7y ago
  Yes Google did make search and mobile more accessible while helping itself to a big pile of money. Stop pretending that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Hate to break it to you but Google is just like any other business.
  - mav3rick 7y ago
    Oh so ? What's wrong with earning money ? What's wrong with having good impact while making money. That is what sustains impact and not a flash in the pan. Get off your high horse and respect what they have achieved. Businesses won't survive without money. HN's favorite browser Firefox gets a 300 million donation from Google. Without this Mozilla will slowly die. Of course you wouldn't mention this. Google money is now against your narrative right ? Also Google pulled out of the DoD contracts. Hate to break it to you none of your other businesses had the balls or people to do that.
    - myguy 7y ago
      Google only donates to Firefox so Chrome is less obviously a monopoly in the browser space (remember Microsoft and IE) Google just recently said they're ready to talk business with did again. They said Maven employee upset was just a one time thing.
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        Lol you guys will never be happy. The Firefox money has been going for a while now. If they help someone "oh this is to divert attention". If they don't help someone "Google is too big and doesn't care ".
  - 7y ago
perl4ever 7y ago
There are also huge federal contractors (defense, etc.) that the average consumer can't name because they aren't on anything the public comes in contact with.
- vonmoltke 7y ago
  Yeah, but their total comp is shit compared to the tech industry.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    It depends on whether you restrict "tech" to FAANG/bay area. There are tech companies that pay ~40K for entry level programmer/analyst positions that said contractors pay $80+, or did ~5 years ago.

somatic 7y ago

>The good companies for 9 to 5 casual evil are small >50 man shops which require security clearance to work at. Where do I sign up? (Edit: this is a serious question.) (Second edit: Mencius.)

buzzkillington 7y ago
You need to know a guy, I met mine when I was running a 3d printing course for an astronomy group of all things.
- somatic 7y ago
  I'll be on the lookout, but quite frankly I despair. I've always wanted to be in a spooky line of work. Oh well.
  - smsm42 7y ago
    If I were in a spooky business, I'd never hire somebody who's too eager to work in this line of work. Too easy to hire a Snowden this way. And I have no idea how they solve this problem... must be tough to be a spook.
    - somatic 7y ago
      Valid point. To clarify, it was hyperbole, as I got (rightly or wrongly) a more "military" vibe. And in my highly uninformed opinion, I'd feel much less comfortable in close quarters with actual spook-dom than I would around high-end military establishment people. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd probably take upper six figures to warm a seat for either, though. Shake the hand of the devil, sell your soul on the dotted line.
- somatic 7y ago
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- somatic 7y ago
  LOL at the GPG swarm down below. I hate the Internet, I regret posting my own GPG message, and I'd delete it if I could.

mav3rick 7y ago

Pay is well above average. Regardless of what HN spews, Google foundationally made search and mobile more accessible around the world. I don't know what "great" company you work for but it's hard to top that for impact.

techie128 7y ago
Yes Google did make search and mobile more accessible while helping itself to a big pile of money. Stop pretending that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Hate to break it to you but Google is just like any other business.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Oh so ? What's wrong with earning money ? What's wrong with having good impact while making money. That is what sustains impact and not a flash in the pan. Get off your high horse and respect what they have achieved. Businesses won't survive without money. HN's favorite browser Firefox gets a 300 million donation from Google. Without this Mozilla will slowly die. Of course you wouldn't mention this. Google money is now against your narrative right ? Also Google pulled out of the DoD contracts. Hate to break it to you none of your other businesses had the balls or people to do that.
  - myguy 7y ago
    Google only donates to Firefox so Chrome is less obviously a monopoly in the browser space (remember Microsoft and IE) Google just recently said they're ready to talk business with did again. They said Maven employee upset was just a one time thing.
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      Lol you guys will never be happy. The Firefox money has been going for a while now. If they help someone "oh this is to divert attention". If they don't help someone "Google is too big and doesn't care ".
- 7y ago

perl4ever 7y ago

There are also huge federal contractors (defense, etc.) that the average consumer can't name because they aren't on anything the public comes in contact with.

vonmoltke 7y ago
Yeah, but their total comp is shit compared to the tech industry.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  It depends on whether you restrict "tech" to FAANG/bay area. There are tech companies that pay ~40K for entry level programmer/analyst positions that said contractors pay $80+, or did ~5 years ago.