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Is using pirated or otherwise illegally acquired data to train an algorithm legal? If yes then why is it illegal to use it for other purposes? Is it legal to u

Is using pirated or otherwise illegally acquired data to train an algorithm legal? If yes then why is it illegal to use it for other purposes? Is it legal to use the data to train an algorithm if the license disallows that explicitly?

jacquesm 7y ago
The end decider of that question will be another judge, but what I've been told by counsel retained for that express purpose so far was that the model (you don't really train an algorithm) that resulted from the use of that data would count as an automatic transformation of the data leaving it very likely that the model itself would be classed as a derivative work without deserving copyright protection in its own right. In other words: you could not have come up with the model without the original data.
TallGuyShort 7y ago
Does copyright law actually make it illegal (as opposed to just frowned-upon, and maybe hindered by one's ISP) to receive pirated material? I was under the impression that the illegal part was the distribution of it.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Does copyright law actually make it illegal (as opposed to just frowned-upon, and maybe hindered by one's ISP) to receive pirated material? Receiving, strictly, no. However with digital material, most use involves copying; for legitimate copies that copying is covered by an implied license for the normal use of the work, for copies which are not themselves authorized, there is likewise no implied license for use. Also, receipt of digital copies itself often involves copying directed by the receiver, which is prohibited, and may even involve a request from the receiver to the originator to make the copy under circumstances which would be viewed as knowing that it was unauthorized, which, may often, as a solicitation of an unlawful act, itself be illegal.

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Is using pirated or otherwise illegally acquired data to train an algorithm legal? If yes then why is it illegal to use it for other purposes? Is it legal to u

by qwerty456127 7y ago

jacquesm 7y ago
The end decider of that question will be another judge, but what I've been told by counsel retained for that express purpose so far was that the model (you don't really train an algorithm) that resulted from the use of that data would count as an automatic transformation of the data leaving it very likely that the model itself would be classed as a derivative work without deserving copyright protection in its own right. In other words: you could not have come up with the model without the original data.
TallGuyShort 7y ago
Does copyright law actually make it illegal (as opposed to just frowned-upon, and maybe hindered by one's ISP) to receive pirated material? I was under the impression that the illegal part was the distribution of it.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Does copyright law actually make it illegal (as opposed to just frowned-upon, and maybe hindered by one's ISP) to receive pirated material? Receiving, strictly, no. However with digital material, most use involves copying; for legitimate copies that copying is covered by an implied license for the normal use of the work, for copies which are not themselves authorized, there is likewise no implied license for use. Also, receipt of digital copies itself often involves copying directed by the receiver, which is prohibited, and may even involve a request from the receiver to the originator to make the copy under circumstances which would be viewed as knowing that it was unauthorized, which, may often, as a solicitation of an unlawful act, itself be illegal.