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US "left" is basically center though.

by pas 7y ago

manigandham 7y ago
Not anymore. US left has stretched very far to the left in the last few years while the right has moved slightly more to the right. It's created a whole new "center". Here's Pew research, check page 12: http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/201...
- pas 7y ago
  Thanks, the paper looks interesting! Though I wouldn't call it "very far". Solidarity peak is the same as it was around 2008 (the Great Financial Crises I guess), regulation and waste views are interestingly conflicting, the anti-corporatism shift is happening across all cohorts, so again it doesn't seem like the Dems are going that much more left. The views of immigration are very polarized. That's interesting, and probably the result of the excessive media coverage plus the very real recent underlying events. The emptying out of the center is the effect of Trump. Though it'll be interesting what will happen in the upcoming 2020 primaries. And we'll get a lot of data about what people value. (With the usual caveat about polling and statistics.)
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Here's more from the Economist, check the chart: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/09/20/far-left-candidates-did-poorly-in-the-democratic-primaries https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/09/20/far-left-...
- sagichmal 7y ago
  This is absolutely bonkers wrong. The US has shifted dramatically rightwards since 2014, and the right has shifted even more dramatically so.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Do you have research you can cite?
    - sagichmal 7y ago
      Well I can point to the literal white supremacists who are literally marching in the street with torches and chanting "blood and thunder" which is a distinctly post-2016 phenomenon.
umeshunni 7y ago
Really?? There are actual communists and anarchists winning elections in the US west coast these days (e.g. Sawant, a Marxist and Chesa Boudin, an anarchist who worked for Hugo Chavez).
- dlp211 7y ago
  You shouldn't use political outliers to represent a party. In the same state that Sawant is a city council member, there is a state congressmen, Shea, that advocated for a religious war and training children in a Holy Army.
- pcwalton 7y ago
  Boudin isn't anything new for San Francisco city politics. Harry Britt was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America when he was elected as a Supervisor back in 1979. The SF politicians who continue to higher office tend to be mainstream Democrats: Kamala Harris, Dianne Feinstein, Gavin Newsom, Scott Wiener, David Chiu, etc.
- euroPoor 7y ago
  There’s actual nazis running for the Republican party (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/07/holocaust-denier-neo-nazi-arthur-jones-chicago-illinois-dan-lipinski/1918933002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/1...) Does that make the Republican party nazi? Absolutely not and you should not project your feelings on an entire political branch.

US "left" is basically center though.

by pas 7y ago

US "left" is basically center though.

Not anymore. US left has stretched very far to the left in the last few years while the right has moved slightly more to the right. It's created a whole new "center". Here's Pew research, check page 12: http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/201...

pas 7y ago
Thanks, the paper looks interesting! Though I wouldn't call it "very far". Solidarity peak is the same as it was around 2008 (the Great Financial Crises I guess), regulation and waste views are interestingly conflicting, the anti-corporatism shift is happening across all cohorts, so again it doesn't seem like the Dems are going that much more left. The views of immigration are very polarized. That's interesting, and probably the result of the excessive media coverage plus the very real recent underlying events. The emptying out of the center is the effect of Trump. Though it'll be interesting what will happen in the upcoming 2020 primaries. And we'll get a lot of data about what people value. (With the usual caveat about polling and statistics.)
- manigandham 7y ago
  Here's more from the Economist, check the chart: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/09/20/far-left-candidates-did-poorly-in-the-democratic-primaries https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/09/20/far-left-...
sagichmal 7y ago
This is absolutely bonkers wrong. The US has shifted dramatically rightwards since 2014, and the right has shifted even more dramatically so.
- manigandham 7y ago
  Do you have research you can cite?
  - sagichmal 7y ago
    Well I can point to the literal white supremacists who are literally marching in the street with torches and chanting "blood and thunder" which is a distinctly post-2016 phenomenon.

umeshunni 7y ago

Really?? There are actual communists and anarchists winning elections in the US west coast these days (e.g. Sawant, a Marxist and Chesa Boudin, an anarchist who worked for Hugo Chavez).

dlp211 7y ago
You shouldn't use political outliers to represent a party. In the same state that Sawant is a city council member, there is a state congressmen, Shea, that advocated for a religious war and training children in a Holy Army.
pcwalton 7y ago
Boudin isn't anything new for San Francisco city politics. Harry Britt was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America when he was elected as a Supervisor back in 1979. The SF politicians who continue to higher office tend to be mainstream Democrats: Kamala Harris, Dianne Feinstein, Gavin Newsom, Scott Wiener, David Chiu, etc.
euroPoor 7y ago
There’s actual nazis running for the Republican party (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/07/holocaust-denier-neo-nazi-arthur-jones-chicago-illinois-dan-lipinski/1918933002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/1...) Does that make the Republican party nazi? Absolutely not and you should not project your feelings on an entire political branch.