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>Caught selling garbage (product marked new actually used, totaly fake junk) enough times -> gone from marketplace and hard to get back in. This is what they h

by ikeboy 7y ago

>Caught selling garbage (product marked new actually used, totaly fake junk) enough times -> gone from marketplace and hard to get back in. This is what they have now. Many sellers get suspended over used sold as new and inauthentic complaints. They also have velocity reviews; if your sales increase too quickly you may get suspended for a bit.

CamelCaseName 7y ago
I think you're missing the key part: >hard to get back in It's been discussed to death, by overseas sellers simply have a massive advantage in starting new seller accounts on Amazon.
- ikeboy 7y ago
  >It's been discussed to death Where? >overseas sellers simply have a massive advantage in starting new seller accounts on Amazon. Why would it be any easier for an overseas seller to start a new account after being banned? Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. Sellers can get around that by having employees or relatives open accounts in their name. This is just as easy or difficult in the US as elsewhere. Regardless, it's something Amazon can't completely fix: they need a way to determine an account is related to a previously banned account. When they do determine that they will quickly ban the new account.
  - CamelCaseName 7y ago
    >Where? In fairness, mostly in FBA-related forums. I'm a 3P seller so I apologize for that comment as I certainly have a skewed view of what is commonly known. >This is just as easy or difficult in the US as elsewhere. Wrong. How much would I have to pay you to borrow your passport to set up a seller account? $100? $1000? $10,000? -- You can get this in rural India / China for $20-$100. (And maybe even less than that, I'm not interested in finding out) >Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. Key phrase: whenever they can track it >When they do determine that they will quickly ban the new account. I really don't know what to say other than that this is patently false. Here is one (or 50?) of countless examples: https://old.reddit.com/r/FulfillmentByAmazon/comments/8rnqmb/just_how_bad_is_the_fake_reviews_issue_on_amazon/ https://old.reddit.com/r/FulfillmentByAmazon/comments/8rnqmb...
    - ikeboy 7y ago
      >How much would I have to pay you to borrow your passport to set up a seller account? My passport would be useless, because I was banned from Amazon after dozens of frivolous complaints by a competitor, who I'm currently suing. I've discussed that elsewhere. Having talked to many US sellers who operate multiple accounts, some of them dozens, I stand behind my claim that it's pretty easy for determined sellers to run multiple stealth accounts. >I really don't know what to say other than that this is patently false. It really appears you do not know what you're talking about. I've heard from plenty of people who got suspended for opening another account after suspension, without going through all the effort to cloak it. It's clear that Amazon enforces that, if they know about it. When duplicate accounts aren't suspended, it's because Amazon doesn't know, or is unable to prove it enough to justify a suspension. Of course there's a both a false positive and false negative rate. But the claim that Amazon doesn't care about this is wrong. Just in the last year they started enforcing ID verification on all new signups, in large part to make it more difficult to open multiple accounts.
  - baybal2 7y ago
    > Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. They really cannot, and that's been the case for 10+ years. Even in-person verification is more or less easily defeatable. Alibaba requires on-site check and business license check by an expert, and may throw many more scrutiny and audit on you than Amazon, but even this is to little effect.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Well, at least that's easily fixed: require a local physical presence who can be sued or prosecuted. If I wanted untraceable disguised imports I know where AliExpress is.
w457uiw4gftyi 7y ago
Yeah, the difficult part is that the seller just returns under a different name. Enough complaints have come in about marketplace seller GreatElectronics4U? OK, Amazon bans/suspends GreatElectronics4U and the guy behind it starts selling stuff as AllTheBestElectronics4U. Rinse and repeat. This isn't like the old days when a ban on doing business under your current name would be a death blow ... start a new seller account and your junk still shows up in Amazon search results, just like it did yesterday.
- ikeboy 7y ago
  What exactly is the proposed solution? Amazon already requires ID verification to open new accounts, and will ban accounts that they can link to old banned accounts.
  - w457uiw4gftyi 7y ago
    I really don't know what the solution is. I also don't have first-hand knowledge of the situation on the ground in, for example, China. But my perception (and that of others I've talked to), is that Chinese sellers just sign up to open a new account, no problem. I'm not sure if that means using the info of a relative or friend, or fake documents, or if my perception is just completely wrong. It'd be interesting to hear from anyone who has seen things on the ground on that side of the world!
    - ikeboy 7y ago
      I've certainly talked to many US sellers who openly admit to running multiple accounts. Many feel that it's just not responsible to only run a single account if you're doing significant volume, even 100% legitimately.
  - dawnerd 7y ago
    They just use another employee to sign up. I know a number of people that do that - really laughable how easy it is to game Amazon.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
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by ikeboy 7y ago

CamelCaseName 7y ago

I think you're missing the key part: >hard to get back in It's been discussed to death, by overseas sellers simply have a massive advantage in starting new seller accounts on Amazon.

ikeboy 7y ago
>It's been discussed to death Where? >overseas sellers simply have a massive advantage in starting new seller accounts on Amazon. Why would it be any easier for an overseas seller to start a new account after being banned? Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. Sellers can get around that by having employees or relatives open accounts in their name. This is just as easy or difficult in the US as elsewhere. Regardless, it's something Amazon can't completely fix: they need a way to determine an account is related to a previously banned account. When they do determine that they will quickly ban the new account.
- CamelCaseName 7y ago
  >Where? In fairness, mostly in FBA-related forums. I'm a 3P seller so I apologize for that comment as I certainly have a skewed view of what is commonly known. >This is just as easy or difficult in the US as elsewhere. Wrong. How much would I have to pay you to borrow your passport to set up a seller account? $100? $1000? $10,000? -- You can get this in rural India / China for $20-$100. (And maybe even less than that, I'm not interested in finding out) >Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. Key phrase: whenever they can track it >When they do determine that they will quickly ban the new account. I really don't know what to say other than that this is patently false. Here is one (or 50?) of countless examples: https://old.reddit.com/r/FulfillmentByAmazon/comments/8rnqmb/just_how_bad_is_the_fake_reviews_issue_on_amazon/ https://old.reddit.com/r/FulfillmentByAmazon/comments/8rnqmb...
  - ikeboy 7y ago
    >How much would I have to pay you to borrow your passport to set up a seller account? My passport would be useless, because I was banned from Amazon after dozens of frivolous complaints by a competitor, who I'm currently suing. I've discussed that elsewhere. Having talked to many US sellers who operate multiple accounts, some of them dozens, I stand behind my claim that it's pretty easy for determined sellers to run multiple stealth accounts. >I really don't know what to say other than that this is patently false. It really appears you do not know what you're talking about. I've heard from plenty of people who got suspended for opening another account after suspension, without going through all the effort to cloak it. It's clear that Amazon enforces that, if they know about it. When duplicate accounts aren't suspended, it's because Amazon doesn't know, or is unable to prove it enough to justify a suspension. Of course there's a both a false positive and false negative rate. But the claim that Amazon doesn't care about this is wrong. Just in the last year they started enforcing ID verification on all new signups, in large part to make it more difficult to open multiple accounts.
- baybal2 7y ago
  > Amazon blocks related accounts whenever they can track it. They really cannot, and that's been the case for 10+ years. Even in-person verification is more or less easily defeatable. Alibaba requires on-site check and business license check by an expert, and may throw many more scrutiny and audit on you than Amazon, but even this is to little effect.
pjc50 7y ago
Well, at least that's easily fixed: require a local physical presence who can be sued or prosecuted. If I wanted untraceable disguised imports I know where AliExpress is.

w457uiw4gftyi 7y ago

Yeah, the difficult part is that the seller just returns under a different name. Enough complaints have come in about marketplace seller GreatElectronics4U? OK, Amazon bans/suspends GreatElectronics4U and the guy behind it starts selling stuff as AllTheBestElectronics4U. Rinse and repeat. This isn't like the old days when a ban on doing business under your current name would be a death blow ... start a new seller account and your junk still shows up in Amazon search results, just like it did yesterday.

ikeboy 7y ago
What exactly is the proposed solution? Amazon already requires ID verification to open new accounts, and will ban accounts that they can link to old banned accounts.
- w457uiw4gftyi 7y ago
  I really don't know what the solution is. I also don't have first-hand knowledge of the situation on the ground in, for example, China. But my perception (and that of others I've talked to), is that Chinese sellers just sign up to open a new account, no problem. I'm not sure if that means using the info of a relative or friend, or fake documents, or if my perception is just completely wrong. It'd be interesting to hear from anyone who has seen things on the ground on that side of the world!
  - ikeboy 7y ago
    I've certainly talked to many US sellers who openly admit to running multiple accounts. Many feel that it's just not responsible to only run a single account if you're doing significant volume, even 100% legitimately.
- dawnerd 7y ago
  They just use another employee to sign up. I know a number of people that do that - really laughable how easy it is to game Amazon.
- JohnFen 7y ago

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