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Agreed but it also applies to standups. I think if you just want ambient awareness, have people post their daily "what I did/will do" to Slack. No need to derai

Agreed but it also applies to standups. I think if you just want ambient awareness, have people post their daily "what I did/will do" to Slack. No need to derail every single day for half an hour or more.

na85 7y ago
I find 15-minute, daily "sync meetings" to be an invaluable tool in coordinating the efforts of an organization with many moving parts. The meeting chair (senior engineer) goes around the room and we all have the same list of items to report on each day. It helps avoid duplication of effort and also increases coordination in pursuit of objectives.
flatline 7y ago
Half an hour or more is no longer a standup.
- earthboundkid 7y ago
  Doesn't mean that isn't what people are calling a "standup". More seriously, even if standup actually were 5 minutes like it should be according to theory, no interruption takes less than half an hour to recover from and resume flow.
  - username90 7y ago
    > standup actually were 5 minutes like it should be according to theory Jeff Sutherland who invented scrum thinks it should be 15 minutes, so according to theory they should be 15 minutes: > The Daily Scrum is a 15-minute time-boxed event for the Development Team. The Daily Scrum is held every day of the Sprint. At it, the Development Team plans work for the next 24 hours. This optimizes team collaboration and performance by inspecting the work since the last Daily Scrum and forecasting upcoming Sprint work. The Daily Scrum is held at the same time and place each day to reduce complexity https://www.scrumguides.org/docs/scrumguide/v2017/2017-Scrum-Guide-US.pdf#zoom=100 https://www.scrumguides.org/docs/scrumguide/v2017/2017-Scrum...
    - jk20 7y ago
      Scrum, Agile etc. is a nonsense which should be ended. The one reason why it is so popular is that it provides managers with opportunity to organize meetings - stand ups, planning, retrospectives,... Why in the world would anyone reach out to other people to figure out what to do in the next 24 hours? The development of even a minor feature takes longer than that, and contrary to Agile principles cannot be arbitrarily split into smaller parts.
ClumsyPilot 7y ago
I find slack or similar sufficient, people blaberring into microphone dont really add anything
kod 7y ago
No one is going to admit in writing on slack that they are stuck. In person it's a lot easier to call people out.

na85 7y ago

I find 15-minute, daily "sync meetings" to be an invaluable tool in coordinating the efforts of an organization with many moving parts. The meeting chair (senior engineer) goes around the room and we all have the same list of items to report on each day. It helps avoid duplication of effort and also increases coordination in pursuit of objectives.

flatline 7y ago

Half an hour or more is no longer a standup.

earthboundkid 7y ago
Doesn't mean that isn't what people are calling a "standup". More seriously, even if standup actually were 5 minutes like it should be according to theory, no interruption takes less than half an hour to recover from and resume flow.
- username90 7y ago
  > standup actually were 5 minutes like it should be according to theory Jeff Sutherland who invented scrum thinks it should be 15 minutes, so according to theory they should be 15 minutes: > The Daily Scrum is a 15-minute time-boxed event for the Development Team. The Daily Scrum is held every day of the Sprint. At it, the Development Team plans work for the next 24 hours. This optimizes team collaboration and performance by inspecting the work since the last Daily Scrum and forecasting upcoming Sprint work. The Daily Scrum is held at the same time and place each day to reduce complexity https://www.scrumguides.org/docs/scrumguide/v2017/2017-Scrum-Guide-US.pdf#zoom=100 https://www.scrumguides.org/docs/scrumguide/v2017/2017-Scrum...
  - jk20 7y ago
    Scrum, Agile etc. is a nonsense which should be ended. The one reason why it is so popular is that it provides managers with opportunity to organize meetings - stand ups, planning, retrospectives,... Why in the world would anyone reach out to other people to figure out what to do in the next 24 hours? The development of even a minor feature takes longer than that, and contrary to Agile principles cannot be arbitrarily split into smaller parts.

ClumsyPilot 7y ago

I find slack or similar sufficient, people blaberring into microphone dont really add anything

kod 7y ago

No one is going to admit in writing on slack that they are stuck. In person it's a lot easier to call people out.