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What utter bullshit reporting. For context, this is a bill establishing religious and conscientious rights for students in state law, including things like an
by XCabbage 7y ago
What utter bullshit reporting.
For context, this is a bill establishing religious and conscientious rights for students in state law, including things like an explicit right to refuse to participate in acts of collective worship at school, or in displays of patriotism. Its effect, unless I have missed something very important in my skim, is to protect students with minority religious beliefs (including atheism) from being bulldozed by the Christian majority. That's admirable! And it's necessary, given how many stories there are from conservative states in the US of students being unconstitutionally discriminated against by schools for their beliefs - for instance, for refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
The bit that this article seems to be alluding to is this:
> Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.
It's pretty clear that what this is saying is that teachers must assess work in a secular manner; that if, for instance, if in poetry class a religious student writes a poem about how their god helps them through life, the teacher can't penalise them because they don't approve of the student's religious beliefs but must instead mark the poem on its poetic merit.
But Local12 decides to spin this as forbidding secular marking, instead, claiming that a student denying evolution for religious reasons can't be penalised for their scientifically wrong answer. Yet this is nonsense! The teacher is in fact required to mark the answers in a secular way - based on "substance" and "legitimate pedagogical concerns". The bill that they're saying forbids penalising this hypothetical evolution-denying students in fact requires penalising them.
But instead, through dishonest journalism, we have a good, liberal, secular bill being reframed as Republican-imposed state theocracy. It's bullshit, and it creates terrible incentives. Why should Republican lawmakers in conservative states try to stop conservative schools oppressing minorities over differences of belief if their attempts to do so are just going to get spun by lying journalists as impositions of Christian theocracy like this? They'd've gained more, politically, by doing nothing to help.
- justin66 7y ago> we have a good, liberal, secular bill Wow.
- XCabbage 7y agoCare to expand?
- hhas01 7y agoEven if we haven’t figured what the exact game is, given that it’s the same marks, the same perps, and the same general form as a hundred scams before it, it’s not at all unreasonable to start from the assumption this is almost certainly a scam too, and work back from there. If you really want to know then smarter, more experienced commenters already figured it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21544913 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21544913 But I rather suspect that’s not why you’re asking. #TheNoseKnows
- XCabbage 7y agoOh, do fuck off. I haven't done anything to warrant your insults, and the description of your link is again such a blatant misreading of the bill it's absurd. The text it describes as providing cover for a creationist teacher to mark religious science denial as correct literally forbids doing that; that's the point of it.
- hhas01 7y agoNot that I’m saying Mr Cabbage is running the biggest gaslit sealion park in America, but it sure does reek of bad egg and fish here.