> Most mainstream languages, however, seem to be verbose to approximately the same order of magnitude. My experience is mostly with C#, so I'll use that (and si

> Most mainstream languages, however, seem to be verbose to approximately the same order of magnitude. My experience is mostly with C#, so I'll use that (and similar languages like Java) as a starting point. I see this, too. For a couple decades, all mainstream languages had roughly the same order-of-magnitude verbosity, and then when GC languages arrived, it took a big leap. Now we've plateaued here for a while. When closures became mainstream, that was a smaller leap. This leaves me optimistic for the future. I find Lisp to still be much more compact than mainstream languages. Maybe once this generation has fully accepted the current level functionality, and gotten tired or frustrated with it, we'll see another jump in mainstream language expressivity.