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Just like how most public healthcare proposals in the US while technically raising taxes would end up leaving the individual with a much lower financial burden
by pluma 7y ago
Just like how most public healthcare proposals in the US while technically raising taxes would end up leaving the individual with a much lower financial burden because of the ridiculous amounts of money Americans pay for healthcare and medication.
- merpnderp 7y agoThis belief that the US is capable of implementing a socialized system in an affordable manner seems kind of fanaticism given the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary.
- vkou 7y agoWhereas the belief that the US is capable of implementing a non-socialized system in an affordable manner is so hilariously contrary to the evidence, that it makes faith in Santa Claus seem well-grounded.
- turk73 7y agoI feel the same way about the socialized version, honestly. I work in big healthcare. There's no way the government is going to pull this off. No way. We might better let it collapse than to suffer a doubling of our Federal income tax, because that is what is on the table there. And that money won't go into providing better healthcare, it will instead go to bailing out the $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. It won't work out the way you think, they are already several steps ahead of the people on the way they intend to spend the added largesse and it's not on us.
- salawat 7y agoKeep in mind the United States only fails so spectacularly at socialized system implementation because the power of the socialized service to negotiate is defanged to prop up the excesses of the private sector. Let the government flex its muscles without artificial constraint, and watch how fast the market has to rein itself in to remain competitive. The reason Medicare is loathed, is because Medicare has a mandate to not excessively spend, and it's pricing is actually determined by people with the public interest in mind first and foremost, as well as having its pricing accessible as a matter of public record instead of being hidden away in a locked filing cabinet somewhere. The combination of those two factors are a powerful tool for shaping an industry away from "make as much money as possible while providing a service" to "provide as much service as possible while the money holds out". It is a subtle, yet important difference.
- tptacek 7y agoMedicare is loathed? That's news to me.
- wyclif 7y agoEven Vox has said so. Anecdotal, but lot of people in the USA across the political spectrum seem to agree if you search around in the news: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/29/8910387/medicare-for-all-insurance-private-abolish-bruenig https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/29/8910387/me...
- salawat 7y agoSorry, I should have further qualified. It is loathed by the Medical Industrial Complex because they actually have the oomph to buy things at basically cost + a modest markup. Unlike with insurers where price gouging becomes viable.