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Agreed. And I think a large fraction of men (the ones who naturally suck at seducing women to begin with), if given the means to both reproduce and achieve sexu

Agreed. And I think a large fraction of men (the ones who naturally suck at seducing women to begin with), if given the means to both reproduce and achieve sexual gratification WITHOUT women, would leap at the opportunity. Women recognize this, which is why they so heavily resist things like sex robots or even male contraception. Jango Fett from Star Wars Episode 2 was an archetypal MGTOW and ahead of his time: cloning himself and investing all of his resources in transferring his accumulated life experience and knowledge to his "son"....no resource-sharing woman involved. Personally I consider that a very dystopian potential future....

int_19h 7y ago
Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. For fairly obvious reasons: women are the ones who have to deal with far more serious consequences of unprotected sex. And as for robots... consider the relative popularity of mechanical aids such as vibrators for women, and for men. I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  >>>Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. I should have clarified, I wasn't referring to condoms but to pill-style oral contraceptives. Entirely my fault for the lack of specificity.[1][2] >>>I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago. Not as a replacement for THEMSELVES. [3][4][5] [1]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251868/Of-course-women-dont-want-male-pill--end-happy-little-accidents.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251868/Of-course... [2]https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-male-pill-contraception-pregnancy-scientific-advancement-sperm-a7378031.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-male-pill-contracep... [3]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6730555/Swedish-feminists-demand-ban-sex-robots-dehumanise-women-just-like-pornography.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6730555/Swedish-fem... [4]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/25/ban-sex-robots-dolls-market https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/25/ban-se... [5]https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/ https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitom...
  - int_19h 7y ago
    I was hoping for some studies. This is a good example of "anecdotes are not data", and especially so that most of these are tabloid op-eds. It's a stretch to conclude something as broad as "women resist things like sex robots and male contraception" - such a claim strongly implies the majority, but all I'm seeing here is a few angry people, and sensationalist journalists happy to give them a platform.
    - CapricornNoble 7y ago
      From[1]: "For the second question, we found a marginal effect with men being more open to the idea of having sex robots (36 men in favor vs. 21 against) as a result of filling out the survey, while women being more against it (19 women in favor vs. 24 against)" Or from[2]:"The only specific robot type with significant effects was sex robots: men (Mdn=3) reported them as being significantly more useful (women, Mdn=4), and men (Mdn=5) were also more willing to acquire a sex robot (women, Mdn=5)." But both of these are user/owner-based perspectives on sex robots, rather than directly answering "How do you feel about competing with robots in the sexual marketplace?" However, [3] points out that "Women compete by enhancing physical appearance and denigrating rivals’ reputations." [emphasis mine]. It stands to reason that women would continue to denigrate sexual competitors, even if those competitors are artificial constructs. [1]https://hrilab.tufts.edu/publications/scheutzarnold16hri.pdf https://hrilab.tufts.edu/publications/scheutzarnold16hri.pdf [2]http://hci.cs.umanitoba.ca/assets/publication_files/beyond_pink_and_blue.pdf http://hci.cs.umanitoba.ca/assets/publication_files/beyond_p... [3]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701630277X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701...

int_19h 7y ago

Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. For fairly obvious reasons: women are the ones who have to deal with far more serious consequences of unprotected sex. And as for robots... consider the relative popularity of mechanical aids such as vibrators for women, and for men. I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
>>>Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. I should have clarified, I wasn't referring to condoms but to pill-style oral contraceptives. Entirely my fault for the lack of specificity.[1][2] >>>I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago. Not as a replacement for THEMSELVES. [3][4][5] [1]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251868/Of-course-women-dont-want-male-pill--end-happy-little-accidents.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251868/Of-course... [2]https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-male-pill-contraception-pregnancy-scientific-advancement-sperm-a7378031.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-male-pill-contracep... [3]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6730555/Swedish-feminists-demand-ban-sex-robots-dehumanise-women-just-like-pornography.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6730555/Swedish-fem... [4]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/25/ban-sex-robots-dolls-market https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/25/ban-se... [5]https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/ https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitom...
- int_19h 7y ago
  I was hoping for some studies. This is a good example of "anecdotes are not data", and especially so that most of these are tabloid op-eds. It's a stretch to conclude something as broad as "women resist things like sex robots and male contraception" - such a claim strongly implies the majority, but all I'm seeing here is a few angry people, and sensationalist journalists happy to give them a platform.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    From[1]: "For the second question, we found a marginal effect with men being more open to the idea of having sex robots (36 men in favor vs. 21 against) as a result of filling out the survey, while women being more against it (19 women in favor vs. 24 against)" Or from[2]:"The only specific robot type with significant effects was sex robots: men (Mdn=3) reported them as being significantly more useful (women, Mdn=4), and men (Mdn=5) were also more willing to acquire a sex robot (women, Mdn=5)." But both of these are user/owner-based perspectives on sex robots, rather than directly answering "How do you feel about competing with robots in the sexual marketplace?" However, [3] points out that "Women compete by enhancing physical appearance and denigrating rivals’ reputations." [emphasis mine]. It stands to reason that women would continue to denigrate sexual competitors, even if those competitors are artificial constructs. [1]https://hrilab.tufts.edu/publications/scheutzarnold16hri.pdf https://hrilab.tufts.edu/publications/scheutzarnold16hri.pdf [2]http://hci.cs.umanitoba.ca/assets/publication_files/beyond_pink_and_blue.pdf http://hci.cs.umanitoba.ca/assets/publication_files/beyond_p... [3]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701630277X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701...