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Yeah sure if you remove ugly structures from anything it looks better. (BTW empty billboards look ugly). You can settle for "good looking advertising", which a

Yeah sure if you remove ugly structures from anything it looks better. (BTW empty billboards look ugly). You can settle for "good looking advertising", which a lot of cities do anyway. I dont think the calls for ban are solely for aesthetic reasons

kick 7y ago
All advertising is bad-looking. It's intentionally created to draw your attention without your consent, and distracts from anything actually of interest.
- buboard 7y ago
  some advertising is ugly. most of it is intentionally designed to create a positive emotional response, in many cases including art. Think different.
  - normalnorm 7y ago
    All of it is designed hijack your attention against your own interests. What you call "positive emotional response" is only positive from the point of view of the advertiser. From the point of view of the victims, it as intrusion on their thoughts of attention, and almost always an attempt to implant a desire into their mind. Ads are art to the same degree that cannibalism is gastronomy.
    - buboard 7y ago
      most apple users here would disagree plus i m not sure if you re aware how extreme your position is Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church most graffiti is uglier than ads
      - mirimir 7y ago
        > Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church I guess that's why I hate so much of it. Also the bloody hymns that are popular this season. Especially the castrati voices.
        buboard 7y ago
        sorry to shock you, but almost every western cultural artifact you listen or watch is derivative of that art. so i guess u hate music too
        mirimir 7y ago
        I hate lots of music, sure. My taste runs toward punk, black metal, acid house, and trance.
      - normalnorm 7y ago
        > most apple users here would disagree > plus i m not sure if you re aware how extreme your position is Wait, aren't you the person who just wrote "think different"? I'm confused. > Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church Sure, and Jesus was a Marxist, or something... If you try to force XXI century concepts into XIV century realities you can arrive at silly over-simplified conclusions such as the one above. > most graffiti is uglier than ads This is your opinion. Graffitis are not trying to manipulate me.
        ericmay 7y ago
        Eh, I think graffiti is or can be used to send a message or bring to light an issue. So in that way it is trying to manipulate you. That being said I don’t disagree with the rest of your post.
        normalnorm 7y ago
        Fair enough. I would just argue that they don't try to manipulate you at scale...
    - mirimir 7y ago
      > Ads are art to the same degree that cannibalism is gastronomy. Good one. So maybe a couple years ago, being a klutz, I brushed a finger against a red-hot stovetop grill. There was a hiss, with ~no pain at first. And creepily, a delicious smell. Took months to heal. And hurt like fuck. But that smell. Damn.
      - mirimir 7y ago
        OK, so maybe I was unclear. The point is that the delicious food smell from burning myself severely was unexpected, distracting ... and worse, rather invasive, and hard to put out of mind. So that's like being confronted by advertising that triggers some unconscious drive. It puts some new thought in your head, which leads you to do something that you otherwise wouldn't. So that'a invasive just like the smell of ones braising flesh, which bringsd up thoughts of eating. That is, the riff that art to advertising is like gastronomy to cannibalism. Or at least, autocannibalism. There's also similarity between advertising and sexual assault. The possibility that a victim -- like a victim of advertising -- will come to enjoy the experience. And end up being betrayed by their body. Which arguably is one of thge worst parts of the experience. Seeing ads is rather like brain rape.
    - Simon_says 7y ago
      > victims I like you.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  > All advertising is bad-looking. The Eiffel Tower was built as basically an advertisement for Eiffel's company. The Rainier R is also became an icon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainier_Brewing_Company#/media/File:Rainier_Brewery_with_the_R_restored_03.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainier_Brewing_Company#/media...
  - glandium 7y ago
    The Eiffel Tower was built as a monument for the World Fair of Paris in 1889. It was supposed to be dismantled 20 years later, and what saved it is that it had been used for telecommunications. Seeing it as an ad for Eiffel's company is kind of a stretch.
    - WalterBright 7y ago
      > Seeing it as an ad for Eiffel's company is kind of a stretch. Eiffel paid a huge chunk of the cost of it, and had his name put on it. It's no different from businesses funding a sports stadium in exchange for it being named after the business. It's awesome advertising. I've often wondered why Microsoft didn't fund NASA probe missions in exchange for writing "Microsoft" on the side of the rocket or other such considerations. It'd be a win for all concerned.
JohnFen 7y ago
Personally, I resent it when I see ads everywhere I look, even if they're "good looking". Advertising is inherently invasive.
- buboard 7y ago
  if someone puts ads "everywhere you look" then you shouldn't be there in the first place. I can't think of many places that are saturated with advertising and also worth looking at. The internet is a unique in being so saturated because advertising is so cheap.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > if someone puts ads "everywhere you look" then you shouldn't be there in the first place Really? So I shouldn't be in most public spaces? I reject that notion. The counter to my statement that I would agree with is "that's just one of the irritations you have to put up with in our society".
    - buboard 7y ago
      you should complain to your mayor if they do of course. If however most residents are ok with them, then yeah , i guess other people are the irritation you have to put up with
      - ericmay 7y ago
        I think most residents are ok with them, but it’s because they don’t have a clear choice, haven’t stopped to think about it, and/or “that’s just how things have always been”.
        buboard 7y ago
        you can say that about anything
      - JohnFen 7y ago

kick 7y ago

All advertising is bad-looking. It's intentionally created to draw your attention without your consent, and distracts from anything actually of interest.

buboard 7y ago
some advertising is ugly. most of it is intentionally designed to create a positive emotional response, in many cases including art. Think different.
- normalnorm 7y ago
  All of it is designed hijack your attention against your own interests. What you call "positive emotional response" is only positive from the point of view of the advertiser. From the point of view of the victims, it as intrusion on their thoughts of attention, and almost always an attempt to implant a desire into their mind. Ads are art to the same degree that cannibalism is gastronomy.
  - buboard 7y ago
    most apple users here would disagree plus i m not sure if you re aware how extreme your position is Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church most graffiti is uglier than ads
    - mirimir 7y ago
      > Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church I guess that's why I hate so much of it. Also the bloody hymns that are popular this season. Especially the castrati voices.
      - buboard 7y ago
        sorry to shock you, but almost every western cultural artifact you listen or watch is derivative of that art. so i guess u hate music too
        mirimir 7y ago
        I hate lots of music, sure. My taste runs toward punk, black metal, acid house, and trance.
    - normalnorm 7y ago
      > most apple users here would disagree > plus i m not sure if you re aware how extreme your position is Wait, aren't you the person who just wrote "think different"? I'm confused. > Most of our beautiful classical art was advertisements for the Church Sure, and Jesus was a Marxist, or something... If you try to force XXI century concepts into XIV century realities you can arrive at silly over-simplified conclusions such as the one above. > most graffiti is uglier than ads This is your opinion. Graffitis are not trying to manipulate me.
      - ericmay 7y ago
        Eh, I think graffiti is or can be used to send a message or bring to light an issue. So in that way it is trying to manipulate you. That being said I don’t disagree with the rest of your post.
        normalnorm 7y ago
        Fair enough. I would just argue that they don't try to manipulate you at scale...
  - mirimir 7y ago
    > Ads are art to the same degree that cannibalism is gastronomy. Good one. So maybe a couple years ago, being a klutz, I brushed a finger against a red-hot stovetop grill. There was a hiss, with ~no pain at first. And creepily, a delicious smell. Took months to heal. And hurt like fuck. But that smell. Damn.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      OK, so maybe I was unclear. The point is that the delicious food smell from burning myself severely was unexpected, distracting ... and worse, rather invasive, and hard to put out of mind. So that's like being confronted by advertising that triggers some unconscious drive. It puts some new thought in your head, which leads you to do something that you otherwise wouldn't. So that'a invasive just like the smell of ones braising flesh, which bringsd up thoughts of eating. That is, the riff that art to advertising is like gastronomy to cannibalism. Or at least, autocannibalism. There's also similarity between advertising and sexual assault. The possibility that a victim -- like a victim of advertising -- will come to enjoy the experience. And end up being betrayed by their body. Which arguably is one of thge worst parts of the experience. Seeing ads is rather like brain rape.
  - Simon_says 7y ago
    > victims I like you.
WalterBright 7y ago
> All advertising is bad-looking. The Eiffel Tower was built as basically an advertisement for Eiffel's company. The Rainier R is also became an icon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainier_Brewing_Company#/media/File:Rainier_Brewery_with_the_R_restored_03.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainier_Brewing_Company#/media...
- glandium 7y ago
  The Eiffel Tower was built as a monument for the World Fair of Paris in 1889. It was supposed to be dismantled 20 years later, and what saved it is that it had been used for telecommunications. Seeing it as an ad for Eiffel's company is kind of a stretch.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    > Seeing it as an ad for Eiffel's company is kind of a stretch. Eiffel paid a huge chunk of the cost of it, and had his name put on it. It's no different from businesses funding a sports stadium in exchange for it being named after the business. It's awesome advertising. I've often wondered why Microsoft didn't fund NASA probe missions in exchange for writing "Microsoft" on the side of the rocket or other such considerations. It'd be a win for all concerned.

JohnFen 7y ago

Personally, I resent it when I see ads everywhere I look, even if they're "good looking". Advertising is inherently invasive.

buboard 7y ago
if someone puts ads "everywhere you look" then you shouldn't be there in the first place. I can't think of many places that are saturated with advertising and also worth looking at. The internet is a unique in being so saturated because advertising is so cheap.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > if someone puts ads "everywhere you look" then you shouldn't be there in the first place Really? So I shouldn't be in most public spaces? I reject that notion. The counter to my statement that I would agree with is "that's just one of the irritations you have to put up with in our society".
  - buboard 7y ago
    you should complain to your mayor if they do of course. If however most residents are ok with them, then yeah , i guess other people are the irritation you have to put up with
    - ericmay 7y ago
      I think most residents are ok with them, but it’s because they don’t have a clear choice, haven’t stopped to think about it, and/or “that’s just how things have always been”.
      - buboard 7y ago
        you can say that about anything
    - JohnFen 7y ago